Devin spends an hour with Ankur Gupta, PNC's Global Head of Technology Finance, to discuss the current state of software company lending. We cover where PNC fits in the lending landscape, what a "good fit" deal looks like, what you should expect during due diligence, what covenants you should expect, and where pricing is across different lenders these days. We also cover how lenders think about Gross Retention vs Net Retention, ARR to loan values, and growth vs. profit.

Jim's longtime colleague and friend, Rick Greenwald, joins the podcast to discuss the ins and outs of the famous Magic Quadrant. The episode provides an in-depth look at the complexities of Gartner’s evaluation process and offers practical advice for companies aiming to improve their market positioning and strategy. Plus, we've known each other since at least 1990, so lots of conversational detours.

ParkerGale Principal Cass Ziebel sits down with CFO Jon Danielson to discuss the priorities of a PE-backed CFO and what he's learned from a recent sale process. In this episode, Jon talks about what surprised him most when he moved from an investor role to an operating role, what it means to "shrink the QofE," and advice to other CFOs as they enter a PE-backed business in the first few months and prepare a business for sale.