Episodes

  • E131: Leanda Bickley - Hope For Tomorrow Charity
    May 20 2024

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    Naman Julka-Anderson and Jo McNamara catch up with Leanda Bickley as part of the Education and Workforce Development series (part 47).


    Discussion about Leanda’s career, Hope For Tomorrow charity and how to improve access for people undergoing cancer treatment.

    To use this podcast as CPD, look at these reflection points:

    1) consider benefits of reduced travel time for patients undergoing systemic anti-cancer treatment.

    2) read the Hope For Tomorrow charity’s patient experiences: https://hopefortomorrow.org.uk/patient-experiences/


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    Links from podcast:

    Hope for Tomorrow Charity: https://hopefortomorrow.org.uk/

    Hope for Tomorrow Charity social media links:

    https://www.facebook.com/hopefortomorrowcharity/

    https://www.instagram.com/hopefortomorrowcharity/

    https://twitter.com/HfTcharity

    https://www.linkedin.com/company/2691529/admin/feed/posts/

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzdw9jkgd3cXne76tYR372A

    National Cancer Registration and Analysis Service: http://www.ncin.org.uk/cancer_type_and_topic_specific_work/topic_specific_work/travel_times

    The Royal College of Radiologists - The Systemic Anti-Cancer Therapy capacity crisis in the NHS: https://www.rcr.ac.uk/media/updj5x5h/rcr-policy_policy-briefing-the-sact-capacity-crisis-in-the-nhs.pdf


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    Music and jingle credits: Dr. Ben Potts and Adam Cooke.

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    33 mins
  • E130: Errol McKellar MBE - Prostate Cancer in Black Men and Errol McKellar Foundation
    May 13 2024

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    Naman Julka-Anderson and Jo McNamara catch up with Errol McKellar MBE as part of Living With and Beyond Cancer series (part 37).


    Discussion about Errol’s cancer diagnosis, his foundation and health inequalities for black men.

    To use this podcast as CPD, look at these reflection points:

    1) read about the signs and symptoms of prostate cancer: https://prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information-and-support/risk-and-symptoms/prostate-cancer-signs-and-symptoms

    2) reflect on Errol’s experience of prostate cancer.

    3) consider ways of improving awareness of prostate cancer in black men.


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    Links from podcast:

    Errol McKellar Foundation: https://www.theerrolmckellarfoundation.com/

    It’s time to talk about men’s health at work: https://www.fairplaytalks.com/2022/11/19/its-time-to-talk-about-mens-health-at-work/

    Black men’s health: https://blackmenshealth.org.uk/

    Young Minds: https://www.youngminds.org.uk/

    Ageing Better: https://ageing-better.org.uk/

    Prostate Cancer UK (PCUK): https://prostatecanceruk.org/

    PCUK risk checker for patients: https://prostatecanceruk.org/risk-checker

    PCUK patient support links: https://prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information-and-support/get-support

    PCUK healthcare professional online learning and CPD: https://prostatecanceruk.org/for-health-professionals/resources/active-surveillance-hub/online-learning-and-cpd

    PCUK healthcare professional consultation toolkit: https://prostatecanceruk.org/for-health-professionals/resources/consultation-toolkit

    PCUK healthcare professional active surveillance hub: https://prostatecanceruk.org/for-health-professionals/resources/active-surveillance-hub


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    Music and jingle credits: Dr. Ben Potts and Adam Cooke.

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    49 mins
  • Genesis Care Series #3: Dr. Eliot Sims - Clinical Oncology
    May 10 2024

    **Trigger Warning**


    Naman Julka-Anderson and Jo McNamara catch up with Dr. Eliot Sims about his career, clinical oncology and person-centred care.

    To use this podcast as CPD, look at these reflection points:

    1) reflect on the importance of shared decision making between patient and clinician.

    2) consider the benefits of mentorship within your clinical practice.

    3) watch this video by GenesisCare on patient care: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9NE9ggVW94


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    Links from podcast:

    GenesisCare: https://www.genesiscare.com/uk

    GenesisCare dosimetry and physics: https://www.genesiscare.com/uk/careers/dosimetry-and-physics-career-opportunities

    UK 2022 Consensus on Normal Tissue Dose-Volume Constraints for Oligometastatic, Primary Lung and Hepatocellular Carcinoma Stereotactic Ablative Radiotherapy: https://www.clinicaloncologyonline.net/article/S0936-6555(22)00094-2/abstract


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    Music and jingle credits: Dr. Ben Potts and Adam Cooke.

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    46 mins
  • E129: Samantha Skubish - Radiation Therapy Advanced Practice in the United States of America
    May 7 2024
    Discussion about Sam’s career, advanced practice and future of radiation therapy advanced roles in the USA. To use this podcast as CPD, look at these reflection points: 1) reflect on Sam’s experience of developing advanced practice within the USA.2) consider what advanced practice means to you within your role.3) read the Society of Radiographers definition of advanced practice for radiography: https://www.sor.org/learning-advice/career-development/practice-level-information/advanced-practitioners/what-is-advanced-practice-in-radiographyComplete this form for your accredited digital badge: https://bit.ly/3GbtR1X.Links from podcast:Stoney Brook School of Health Professions - Samantha Skubish: https://healthprofessions.stonybrookmedicine.edu/programs/hs/about/faculty/sskubishThe American Registry of Radiologic Technologists (ARRT): https://www.arrt.org/The American Registry of Radiologic Technologists (ARRT) - I am the Gold Standard Award: https://www.arrt.org/pages/i-am-the-gold-standardAmerican Society of Radiologic Technologists (ASRT): https://www.asrt.org/American Society of Radiologic Technologists (ASRT) - The ASRT Practice Standards for Medical Imaging and Radiation Therapy: https://www.asrt.org/main/standards-and-regulations/professional-practice/practice-standards-onlineAmerican Society of Radiologic Technologists (ASRT) - Radiation Oncology Safety Stakeholder’s Initiative: https://www.asrt.org/volunteers/other-opportunitiesRadiation Therapy Association of New York State, Inc.: https://rtanys.org/Mount Sinai Hospital New York: https://www.mountsinai.org/locations/mount-sinai/care/radiation-oncologySociety of Radiographers: what is advanced practice in radiography?: https://www.sor.org/learning-advice/career-development/practice-level-information/advanced-practitioners/what-is-advanced-practice-in-radiographyRadiographer Enhanced, Advanced and Consultant Practice: https://www.hee.nhs.uk/our-work/cancer-diagnostics/imaging/radiographer-enhanced-advanced-consultant-practiceAn Environmental Scan of Advanced Practice Radiation Therapy in the United States: A PESTEL Analysis: https://www.redjournal.org/article/S0360-3016(23)00450-9/abstractAdvanced practice radiation therapist program improves efficiency, reduces burnout:https://www.healio.com/news/hematology-oncology/20231107/advanced-practice-radiation-therapist-program-improves-efficiency-reduces-burnoutAdvanced practice roles amongst therapeutic radiographers/radiation therapists: A European survey: https://www.radiographyonline.com/article/S1078-8174(22)00210-3/fulltextPlease like and subscribe to Rad Chat on your podcast library.Our links:Link Tree:https://linktr.ee/radchat Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RadChatPodcast/ Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/rad__chat/ LinkedIn:https://uk.linkedin.com/company/radtalk Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@rad_chat Twitter:https://twitter.com/rad__chat?lang=en YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@radchat2259Music and jingle credits: Dr. Ben Potts and Adam Cooke.
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    47 mins
  • E128: Cheryl Johnson & Sarah Davis - Cancer, Sex and Intimacy
    May 3 2024
    **Trigger Warning**Naman Julka-Anderson and Jo McNamara catch up with as part of Living With and Beyond Cancer series (part 36).Discussion about Cheryl and Sarah’s cancer treatments, cancer, sex and intimacy. To use this podcast as CPD, look at these reflection points: 1) reflect on Cheryl and Sarah’s experiences of cancer, sex and intimacy.2) consider how you broach the topic of cancer, sex and intimacy with your patients.3) check out Cheryl and Sarah’s project work: https://linktr.ee/cancersxandintimacy?utm_source=linktree_profile_shareComplete this form for your accredited digital badge: https://bit.ly/3GbtR1X.Links from podcast:Cancer, Sex and Intimacy: https://linktr.ee/cancersxandintimacy?utm_source=linktree_profile_shareCancer and Intimacy podcast (by Cheryl and Sarah(: https://www.youtube.com/@cancerandintimacy2838/podcastsGirl vs Cancer - Lauren Mahon: https://girlvscancer.co.uk/Jo Divine - when sex is silent: https://www.jodivine.com/blogs/sexual-health/when-sex-is-silent-living-with-cancerShush Life - sex education: https://www.shushlife.com/Pleasure & Intimacy: A guide for people living with cancer: https://issuu.com/fruitflycollective/docs/sex_cancer_bookMacmillan Cancer Support - we need to talk about sex: https://www.macmillan.org.uk/lovehoneyMacmillan Cancer Support - cancer and your sex life: https://www.macmillan.org.uk/cancer-information-and-support/treatment/coping-with-treatment/your-sex-lifeMacmillan Cancer Support - fertility and cancer: https://www.macmillan.org.uk/cancer-information-and-support/impacts-of-cancer/fertilityMacmillan Cancer Support - menopausal symptoms and cancer treatment: https://www.macmillan.org.uk/cancer-information-and-support/impacts-of-cancer/menopausal-symptoms-and-cancer-treatmentMenopause after cancer (research article): https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02802-7/fulltextShine Cancer Support Charity: https://shinecancersupport.org/Neuroendocrine Cancer UK: https://www.neuroendocrinecancer.org.uk/Peptide Receptor Radionuclide Therapy (PRRT): https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/neuroendocrine-tumours-nets/treatment/radiotherapy/peptide-receptor-radionuclide-therapy-prrtHear Cheryl on the Black Women Rising podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/blackwomenrising/episodes/Black-Women-Rising---The-Untold-Cancer-Stories-S4-Ep5---Living-With-Stage-Four-Cancer-e2f4n2aBlood Cancer UK - Lymphoma: https://bloodcancer.org.uk/understanding-blood-cancer/lymphoma/Please like and subscribe to Rad Chat on your podcast library.Our links:Link Tree:https://linktr.ee/radchat Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RadChatPodcast/ Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/rad__chat/ LinkedIn:https://uk.linkedin.com/company/radtalk Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@rad_chat Twitter:https://twitter.com/rad__chat?lang=en YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@radchat2259Music and jingle credits: Dr. Ben Potts and Adam Cooke.
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    48 mins
  • Elekta Neuro-Oncology Series #5: Dr. Arjun Sahgal - Brain Metastasis
    Apr 29 2024
    **Trigger Warning**Naman Julka-Anderson and Jo McNamara catch up with Dr. Arjun Sahgal to discuss his career, and the uses of radiosurgery for brain metastasis. To use this podcast as CPD, look at these reflection points: 1) read about the symptoms of a brain tumour: https://www.thebraintumourcharity.org/brain-tumour-signs-symptoms/adult-brain-tumour-symptoms/2) reflect on the benefits of radiosurgery for people diagnosed with brain metastasis.3) consider the impact of reduced access to radiosurgery could have on a a person living with beyond cancer and their loved ones / carers.4) watch this video on the Elekta Gamma Knife Radiosurgery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxikNfTbtzw Complete this form for your accredited digital badge: https://bit.ly/3GbtR1X.Links from podcast:Elekta: https://www.elekta.com/Elekta Gamma Knife Radiosurgery: https://www.elekta.com/patients/gamma-knife-treatment/Leksell Gamma Knife Lightening: https://www.elekta.com/products/stereotactic-radiosurgery/leksell-gamma-knife-lightning/The National Centre for Stereotactic Radiosurgery: https://www.gammaknife.org.uk/The National Centre for Stereotactic Radiosurgery Videos on how to prepare for treatment: https://www.gammaknife.org.uk/treatment/videosBrain Tumour Charity: https://www.thebraintumourcharity.org/brain-tumour-signs-symptoms/adult-brain-tumour-symptoms/Brain Tumours Macmillan Cancer Support: https://www.macmillan.org.uk/cancer-information-and-support/brain-tumourTherapeutic Role of Gamma Knife Stereotactic Radiosurgery in Neuro-Oncology (2020): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7023953/Characterization and commissioning of a Leksell Gamma Knife ICON system for framed and frameless stereotactic radiosurgery (2022): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35064749/ Concurrent Olaparib and Radiation Therapy in Older Patients With Newly Diagnosed Glioblastoma: The Phase 1 Dose-Escalation PARADIGM Trial (2024): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360301624000154?via%3Dihub FINAL RESULTS OF THE MGMT UNMETHYLATED ARM OF PARADIGM-2: A PHASE I STUDY OF OLAPARIB AND RADIOTHERAPY IN PATIENTS WITH NEWLY DIAGNOSED GLIOBLASTOMA (GBM) (2023): https://academic.oup.com/neuro-oncology/article-abstract/25/Supplement_2/ii20/7264478?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=true Results of the OPARATIC trial: A phase I dose escalation study of olaparib in combination with temozolomide (TMZ) in patients with relapsed glioblastoma (GBM) (2017): https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2017.35.15_suppl.2022 Non-Cancerous Conditions Links:The National Centre for Stereotactic Radiosurgery Other Conditions Treated: https://www.gammaknife.org.uk/conditions-treated/conditionsElekta case stud on bilateral thalamotomy with Leksell Gamma Knife for Essential Tremor: https://www.elekta.com/medical-affairs/case-studies/case-study-bilateral-thalamotomy-with-leksell-gamma-knife-for-essential-tremor/Gamma Knife radiosurgery for cerebral arteriovenous malformations: a systematic review and meta-analysis (2022): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9160151/Gamma Knife Radiosurgery For Brain Vascular Malformations: Current Evidence And Future Tasks (2019): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6874113/ Gamma Knife Radiosurgery for Trigeminal Neuralgia : Review and Update (2022): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9452385/Arjun’s Research:Hypofractionated stereotactic radiosurgery(HSRS) as a salvage treatment for brain metastases failing prior stereotactic radiosurgery(SRS).Yan M, Lee M, Myrehaug S, Tseng CL, Detsky J, Chen H, Das S, Yeboah C, Lipsman N, Costa LD, Holden L, Heyn C, Maralani P, Ruschin M, Sahgal A, Soliman H. J Neurooncol. 2023 Mar;162(1):119-128. doi: 10.1007/s11060-023-04265-y. Epub 2023 Mar 13. Gamma knife icon based hypofractionated stereotactic radiosurgery(GKI-HSRS) for brain metastases: impact of dose and volume.Yan M, Holden L, Wang M, Soliman H, Myrehaug S, Tseng CL, Detsky J, Ruschin M, Tjong M, Atenafu EG, Das S, Lipsman N, Heyn C, Sahgal A, Husain Z. J Neurooncol. 2022 Sep;159(3):705-712. doi: 10.1007/s11060-022-04115-3. Epub 2022 Aug 24. Conventionally fully fractionated Gamma Knife Icon re-irradiation of primary recurrent intracranial tumors: the first report indicating feasibility and safety.Yan M, Holden L, Detsky J, Tseng CL, Soliman H, Myrehaug S, Husain Z, Das S, Yeboah C, Lipsman N, Ruschin M, Sahgal A.Precision Radiation for Brain Metastases With a Focus on Hypofractionated Stereotactic Radiosurgery.Shiue K, Sahgal A, Lo SS. Semin Radiat Oncol. 2023 Apr;33(2):114-128. doi: 10.1016/j.semradonc.2023.01.004.Please like and subscribe to Rad Chat on your podcast library.Our links:Link Tree:https://linktr.ee/radchat Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RadChatPodcast/ Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/rad__chat/ LinkedIn:https://uk.linkedin.com/company/radtalk Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@rad_chat Twitter:https://twitter.com/rad__chat?lang=en YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@...
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    32 mins
  • E127: Louise Codd - Experiences of Ethnically Diverse Student in Therapeutic Radiography Undergraduate Education in the UK
    Apr 26 2024

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    Naman Julka-Anderson and Jo McNamara catch up with Louise Codd as part of the equity, diversity and inclusion series (part 11.).


    Discussion about Louise’s career, the experiences of ethnically diverse students in therapeutic radiography undergraduate education in the UK and future research.

    To use this podcast as CPD, look at these reflection points:

    1) read: ‘closing the gap, 3 years on’ https://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/what-we-do/policy-and-research/publications/features/closing-gap-three-years/introduction to understand more about the awarding gap in higher education - reflect on how the issues discussed apply, or perhaps may apply to the experience of therapeutic radiography training.

    2) reflect upon your practice and how we can be ally’s to students from ethnically diverse backgrounds in our clinical department.

    3) investigate allyship training and the discrimination policy in your department.


    Complete this form for your accredited digital badge: https://bit.ly/3GbtR1X.


    Links from podcast:

    Professionalism in 2024: today's doctors shouldn't be held to outdated ideas: https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q424


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    37 mins
  • Elekta Neuro-Oncology Series #4: Dr. Sithembile Ngidi and Dr. Mogwale Motebajane - Radiosurgery in South Africa
    Apr 22 2024
    **Trigger Warning**Naman Julka-Anderson and Jo McNamara catch up with Dr. Sithembile Ngidi and Dr. Mogwale Motebajane to discuss their careers, Radiosurgery in Africa, health inequalities and the benefits of multi-disciplinary working. To use this podcast as CPD, look at these reflection points: 1) read about the symptoms of a brain tumour: https://www.thebraintumourcharity.org/brain-tumour-signs-symptoms/adult-brain-tumour-symptoms/2) reflect on the challenges people with brain tumours and neurological conditions face in Africa.3) consider the benefits of multi-disciplinary working within Radiosurgery.4) watch this video on the Elekta Gamma Knife Radiosurgery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxikNfTbtzw Complete this form for your accredited digital badge: https://bit.ly/3GbtR1X.Links from podcast:Elekta: https://www.elekta.com/Elekta Gamma Knife Radiosurgery: https://www.elekta.com/patients/gamma-knife-treatment/Leksell Gamma Knife Lightening: https://www.elekta.com/products/stereotactic-radiosurgery/leksell-gamma-knife-lightning/The National Centre for Stereotactic Radiosurgery: https://www.gammaknife.org.uk/The National Centre for Stereotactic Radiosurgery Videos on how to prepare for treatment: https://www.gammaknife.org.uk/treatment/videosBrain Tumour Charity: https://www.thebraintumourcharity.org/brain-tumour-signs-symptoms/adult-brain-tumour-symptoms/Brain Tumours Macmillan Cancer Support: https://www.macmillan.org.uk/cancer-information-and-support/brain-tumourTherapeutic Role of Gamma Knife Stereotactic Radiosurgery in Neuro-Oncology (2020): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7023953/Gamma Knife South Africa: https://www.gamma-knife.co.za/ Radiotherapy resources in Africa: an International Atomic Energy Agency update and analysis of projected needs (2021): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8675892/ Radiotherapy infrastructure for brain metastasis treatment in Africa: practical guildelines for implementation of a stereotactic radiosurgery (SRS) program (2023): https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12553-023-00799-3 Expanding radiotherapy access in Sub-Saharan Africa: an analysis of travel burdens and patient-related benefits of hypofractionation (2023): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10151787/ Dr. Sithembile Ngidi: https://multimedicsumhlanga.co.za/specialists/dr-sithembile-ngidi/ Dr. Mogwale Motebajane: https://www.mediclinic.co.za/en/corporate/doctors/9/dr-mogwale-samson-motebejane.htmlMediclinic Emfuleni: https://www.mediclinic.co.za/en/emfuleni/home.htmlMediclinic Vereeniging: https://www.mediclinic.co.za/en/vereeniging/home.htmlNon-Cancerous Conditions Links:The National Centre for Stereotactic Radiosurgery Other Conditions Treated: https://www.gammaknife.org.uk/conditions-treated/conditionsElekta case stud on bilateral thalamotomy with Leksell Gamma Knife for Essential Tremor: https://www.elekta.com/medical-affairs/case-studies/case-study-bilateral-thalamotomy-with-leksell-gamma-knife-for-essential-tremor/Gamma Knife radiosurgery for cerebral arteriovenous malformations: a systematic review and meta-analysis (2022): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9160151/Gamma Knife Radiosurgery For Brain Vascular Malformations: Current Evidence And Future Tasks (2019): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6874113/ Gamma Knife Radiosurgery for Trigeminal Neuralgia : Review and Update (2022): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9452385/Please like and subscribe to Rad Chat on your podcast library.Our links:Link Tree:https://linktr.ee/radchat Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RadChatPodcast/ Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/rad__chat/ LinkedIn:https://uk.linkedin.com/company/radtalk Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@rad_chat Twitter:https://twitter.com/rad__chat?lang=en YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@radchat2259Music and jingle credits: Dr. Ben Potts and Adam Cooke.
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    35 mins