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Back at sea level in Durban, Murray Kinsella joins Gavan Casey from Durban with the latest from Springbok camp, where Bongi Mbonambi and Jaco Peyper have been making headlines but Rassie Erasmus far less so.

After a trip to another top-end South African rugby school, the lads discuss South Africa's struggles at U20 level and whether they even matter when the senior team has won back-to-back World Cups.

Plus, why Saturday's test will feel like the end of an era for Ireland, win or lose.

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Murray Kinsella and Bernard Jackman join Gavan Casey to review Ireland's 27-20 defeat to world champions South Africa in Pretoria.

The lads discuss Jamie Osborne's debut, Craig Casey's big performance and why Ireland are annoyed by the circumstances which led to his head injury, and an uncharacteristically poor defensive outing by Andy Farrell's men.

Full credit, too, is given to the Boks whose transformed attacking approach under Tony Brown was a warning sign for the rest of world rugby.

Plus, is Caelan Doris Ireland's next captain, or will his struggles to get referees onside force Andy Farrell into a rethink?

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Murray Kinsella joins Gavan Casey from Loftus Versfeld in the immediate aftermath of Ireland's 27-20 defeat to South Africa.

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James Tracy and Gavan Casey are joined by Murray Kinsella from Johannesburg as the Springboks continue to give it the big'ne ahead of the first Test at Loftus Versfeld.

The lads' discuss South Africa's strawman who has apparently been going around calling Ireland the best team in the world, Rassie Erasmus' mastery of both strategy and motivation, and the impressive South African 23 named on Tuesday to face Ireland.

Murray and JT give their thoughts on Andy Farrell's Irish selection ahead of the team naming on Friday, including a few prospective curveballs, the dilemma between "the small one from Munster" and Conor Murray at scrum-half, and where Robbie Henshaw fits into the equation while being one of the form players in the country at the moment.

They also try to figure out how Ireland can beat the best team in the world on their own patch, and where the latest law changes may play a role in Saturday's 'undisputed title fight.'

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Bernard Jackman joins Gavan Casey to discuss Toulouse's spectacular destruction of Bordeaux in the Top 14 final, Ireland U20s' Sam Berman-inspired win over Italy at the World Cup, and a hostile build-up -- from the South African side at least -- to the first test in Pretoria this weekend.

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James Tracy joins Gavan Casey to give his views on the respective conclusions of Leinster and Munster's seasons.

The former Leinster and Ireland hooker assesses Leinster's scrum problems against the Bulls and the potential effects of the arrival of Rabah Slimani from Clermont.

James also gives his thoughts on Munster's long-term future, which he believes is cause for massive optimism in the southern province.

Plus, the lads look ahead to Ireland's South Africa tour, which will leave James with some conflicting feelings if the visitors manage to pull off a series win.

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