"I think the race is a toss up," says Kevin Sullivan, "Trump has really captured the Republican Party." In this episode of Searching for America, Robyn Curnow talks with Washington Post journalist Kevin Sullivan about all the president's he has interviewed. They discuss the enduring influence of Donald Trump, the dynamics of the Biden administration, and the role of Kamala Harris as a progressive leader. Sullivan shares insights from his experiences covering American politics and reflects on the legacy of Jimmy Carter who turned 100 on Oct 1.

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Chapters

00:00 Searching for America: Our Kevin Sullivan is NOT Kevin Sullivan the wrestler
01:47 Trump's Influence on American Politics and what he was like to interview
05:57 The Dynamics of the Biden Administration and Biden's long stories
10:08 Kamala Harris: A Pragmatic Progressive and what DC thinks of her
13:57 Reflections on Jimmy Carter's Legacy and his humble house in Plains, Georgia
18:10 The Global Perception of America where not all Americans are 'loud and stupid.'
21:48 The Role of Journalism in Society and being hired by Watergate editor Ben Bradlee

Every week Robyn Curnow asks her guest the same questions in this bonus episode. Where would you go if you could time travel? Dream Thanksgiving dinner guest (dead or alive)? What does it mean to be an American? Why is the country polarized? Favorite movie?

Kevin Sullivan lists his favorite things

02:49 Time Traveling
06:09 The Role of Social Media in Polarization "It's amplified the worst of us"
09:00 Patience, listening and being a decent person

Unlike other Western democracies, America's politics are infused with religion. Why is God part of the get-out-and-vote plans? Republican strategist Doug Heye says Republicans and Democrats have used religion to attract voters in the past but evangelical fervor for Donald Trump has turbo-charged the Republican ticket in different ways.

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In this bonus episode, Republican strategist Doug Heye shows his foodie side by listing his favorite restaurants and imagining his dream dinner party with Julia Child, Thomas Jefferson and Hank Aaron. When Robyn Curnow asks him about his favorite Presidents, Doug Heye gives a surprising answer.

Favorite piece of music or movie: Frank Sinatra singing

What makes him cry? Maybe a few tears were shed' seeing Bruce Springsteen sing "Thunder Road"

Favorite American landscape: Yellowstone

Favorite President; Ronald Reagan. George Washington. Richard Nixon.

Sports team: Tar Heels.

First job: Mr Barbecue, Winston-Salem, North Carolina. "I'll never forget the customer who returned his french fries because they tasted like potatoes."

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Sarah Smarsh's grandmother had dentures in her twenties, after her teeth were pulled out due to poverty. Robyn Curnow asks why good or bad teeth explain whether America is a meritocracy?

Smarsh's new book is called Bone of Bone; Essays on America by a Daughter of the Working Class.

Robyn wanted to talk to Sarah because she's rare commodity in America - a whisperer or translator of two Americas; rural, white, poor middle America and the educated, urbane newsrooms of the coasts. As one of the few people in a newsroom who have worked in a wheat field, Smarsh says she takes the stereotypes of middle America personally because they can get her people so wrong.

Not all white, poor Americans in rural areas are Trump supporters, in the same way not all New Yorkers are walking around with Black Lives Matter t-shirts. Sarah blames a fractured media and the Democrat Party ignoring large chunks of America where people have felt ignored, and to whom Donald Trump speak to.

How to bring divided Americans together? Dolly Parton, the Patron Saint of the American Working Class.

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Even though her family says American politicians 'are all crooks,' Sarah Smarsh was asked to run for Senate after she became a rare voice of an ignored part of America; the white, poor, rural working class. She choose not to go to run for office but instead wrote another book about her life in Kansas while working to save the prairies and fight against the stereotypes that paint her people as backwards.

The solution to American polarization? More honky-tonks, dancing and bourbon.

Her favorite landscape? The American prairie where she lives.

American movie? Wizard of Oz (even though everyone always says to her, 'You're not in Kansas anymore.")

Dinner party guests (dead or alive)? Dolores Huerta. Jodie Foster. Toni Morrison.

Three words to describe America? Stressed, militarized and empire. The USA spends to much money policing the world and underinvests in taking care of its own people.

We need to immerse kids in more ambiguity, says headteacher Josh Clark, who is also on the board of the National Association of Independent Schools. How do the divisions in America manifest in schools?

Is pressure to say the right thing and give the 'correct answer' stifling debate and critical thinking in classrooms? Why have kids lost the ability to put themselves in another person's shoes? Does simplification of complicated issues create less empathy?

Josh Clark's dad was a prison warder which meant Josh grew up in the warder's house inside a prison complex in Hopewell, Virginia. "My first friend in life was Nelson. Nelson was an inmate who worked in our yard. He smuggled cocaine into the country in a private plane in the 70s. I was seven. I thought he walked on water."

Growing up in the dynamic of the federal prison system gave Josh a perspective that informs his views on right, wrong, legal, illegal and the need to understand ambiguities and embrace complexity.

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Josh Clark would love to time travel to the 1850's just before the Civil War when the country was dealing with what it meant to be an American. As a Southerner, who grew up Mississippi, he is intrigued by a country that was grappling with itself and at the same time embracing transcendentalism. He lists his favorite books from the pre-Civil War days, written during an time of national tension. Leaves of Grass, Moby Dick and the Scarlet Letter.

Motto: Make it New.

Best President: Abraham Lincoln.

Greatest fear for America: Apathy

What can bring Americans together in divided times? Football, of course. And in particular, college football in the South. (Go Tennessee...)

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