In the series wrap-up show, co-hosts Amy Pearlman and Paul Deger reflect on the stories we’ve heard, the lessons we’ve learned, and the tools we’ve obtained during our journey exploring moral distress, burnout, and self-compassion in healthcare. Our series shed light on the challenges healthcare professionals face, systemic barriers, and steps we can take to pave the way for a healthier culture. As we wrap up, let's remember that addressing burnout is not just a personal responsibility but a collective endeavor involving healthcare institutions, policymakers, and society at large.

What resonated most with you? How will you continue the conversation in your workplaces? Where do you see the three principles of self-compassion - mindfulness, common humanity, and self-kindness, making a difference in your work life? Thank you for joining us on this journey and we hope our efforts have helped to heal you while you heal others.

Our Hosts:

Amy Pearlman, MSW, LICSW

Amy Pearlman is a quintessential social worker with a strong desire to improve healthcare outcomes. She believes that the best way to support the largest number of people is through engaging the community of providers and allies. She has transitioned between provider and payer settings over the course of her career to develop her clinical skills and maximize her empathy of provider experience, with the mission of aligning perspectives around a shared focus and goal to improve healthcare for individuals and families. Her clinical expertise is in crisis intervention, community based care, and clinical program design. Amy believes that healthcare is strongly tied to the health of care providers and is proud to support the healthcare system in this way.

Paul Deger, MA, LPC, PT

Paul Deger is a mindfulness-based intervention specialist. He has been in the healthcare delivery world for 35 years - first as a physical therapist, then as a licensed professional counselor. Paul has worked in a broad range of healthcare environments - inpatient, outpatient, ER and home-based. He also has served as a trainer for health care providers - covering clinical and self-care topics. Paul has seen - and experienced provider burnout - and has found sustainable ways forward. A life-long learner, he seeks out ways to exemplify being human and professional, accessing head and heart, balancing self-care and caring for others. To learn more about Paul, click here.

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Common humanity, one of the three components of self-compassion, the antidote to burnout, is strengthened by sharing our unique stories. We can build empathy and support the humanity involved in healthcare by honoring and elevating the lived experience of healthcare providers and patients. In this episode, co-hosts Amy and Paul speak to Scott Acord and Michael Drummond from the Providence Institute for Human Caring about Hear Me Now, a patient and provider storytelling project with a goal to make healthcare more humane. 

For more information about how you can share your story with the Hear Me Now project, visit https://www.hearmenowstories.org/ 

Our Hosts:

Amy Pearlman, MSW, LICSW 

Amy Pearlman is a quintessential social worker with a strong desire to improve healthcare outcomes. She believes that the best way to support the largest number of people is through engaging the community of providers and allies. She has transitioned between provider and payer settings over the course of her career to develop her clinical skills and maximize her empathy of provider experience, with the mission of aligning perspectives around a shared focus and goal to improve healthcare for individuals and families.  Her clinical expertise is in crisis intervention, community based care, and clinical program design.  Amy believes that healthcare is strongly tied to the health of care providers and is proud to support the healthcare system in this way.

Paul Deger, MA, LPC, PT

Paul Deger is a mindfulness-based intervention specialist. He has been in the healthcare delivery world for 35 years - first as a physical therapist, then as a licensed professional counselor. Paul has worked in a broad range of healthcare environments - inpatient, outpatient, ER and home-based. He also has served as a trainer for health care providers - covering clinical and self-care topics. Paul has seen - and experienced provider burnout - and has found sustainable ways forward. A life-long learner, he seeks out ways to exemplify being human and professional, accessing head and heart, balancing self-care and caring for others. To learn more about Paul, click here.

The Burnout Antidote is a co-production from Psych Hub and is brought to you by Janssen Neuroscience.

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What are your experiences and feelings toward your healthcare system’s EMR? Love it? Hate it? What about the growth of AI in healthcare? Tech in healthcare has given us incredible advancements that have saved lives. At the same time, the rate at which technology is created and implemented may be outpacing our ability to adjust to the impact on operational systems, policies, and the human beings providing care. In this episode, co-hosts Amy and Paul discuss the intersection of technology, healthcare, and burnout. They explore the impact on culture and work-life integration. We also hear from two healthcare colleagues about the wins and losses associated with leveraging technology in the healthcare space. 

Our Hosts:

Amy Pearlman, MSW, LICSW 

Amy Pearlman is a quintessential social worker with a strong desire to improve healthcare outcomes. She believes that the best way to support the largest number of people is through engaging the community of providers and allies. She has transitioned between provider and payer settings over the course of her career to develop her clinical skills and maximize her empathy of provider experience, with the mission of aligning perspectives around a shared focus and goal to improve healthcare for individuals and families.  Her clinical expertise is in crisis intervention, community based care, and clinical program design.  Amy believes that healthcare is strongly tied to the health of care providers and is proud to support the healthcare system in this way.

Paul Deger, MA, LPC, PT

Paul Deger is a mindfulness-based intervention specialist. He has been in the healthcare delivery world for 35 years - first as a physical therapist, then as a licensed professional counselor. Paul has worked in a broad range of healthcare environments - inpatient, outpatient, ER and home-based. He also has served as a trainer for health care providers - covering clinical and self-care topics. Paul has seen - and experienced provider burnout - and has found sustainable ways forward. A life-long learner, he seeks out ways to exemplify being human and professional, accessing head and heart, balancing self-care and caring for others. To learn more about Paul, click here.

The Burnout Antidote is a co-production from Psych Hub and is brought to you by Janssen Neuroscience.

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The urgent and critical need of standing up large scale telehealth capabilities at the beginning of the 2020 COVID epidemic dramatically launched virtual care into our everyday healthcare practices. We saw the benefits and efficiencies for both patient and provider. At the same time, we quickly learned and experienced the pitfalls. In this episode, co-hosts Amy and Paul explore the intersection of burnout and telehealth. What is the best working environment for you - virtual, in-person, hybrid? What do patients prefer? Let’s take ourselves off of “mute” and discuss. 

Our Hosts:

Amy Pearlman, MSW, LICSW 

Amy Pearlman is a quintessential social worker with a strong desire to improve healthcare outcomes. She believes that the best way to support the largest number of people is through engaging the community of providers and allies. She has transitioned between provider and payer settings over the course of her career to develop her clinical skills and maximize her empathy of provider experience, with the mission of aligning perspectives around a shared focus and goal to improve healthcare for individuals and families.  Her clinical expertise is in crisis intervention, community based care, and clinical program design.  Amy believes that healthcare is strongly tied to the health of care providers and is proud to support the healthcare system in this way.

Paul Deger, MA, LPC, PT

Paul Deger is a mindfulness-based intervention specialist. He has been in the healthcare delivery world for 35 years - first as a physical therapist, then as a licensed professional counselor. Paul has worked in a broad range of healthcare environments - inpatient, outpatient, ER and home-based. He also has served as a trainer for health care providers - covering clinical and self-care topics. Paul has seen - and experienced provider burnout - and has found sustainable ways forward. A life-long learner, he seeks out ways to exemplify being human and professional, accessing head and heart, balancing self-care and caring for others. To learn more about Paul, click here.

The Burnout Antidote is a co-production from Psych Hub and is brought to you by Janssen Neuroscience.

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This week’s episode includes a powerful story of the toll burnout can take on us, challenging our perception of our values and who we are. In this episode, we continue our burnout recovery journey by diving even deeper into the concepts and experiences of moral distress and moral injury. Co-hosts Amy and Paul reflect on the story of a clinician who found himself wondering what kind of person and healthcare provider he had become, what led him to that place, and the patient experience that changed his and his patient’s life. 

Our Hosts:

Amy Pearlman, MSW, LICSW 

Amy Pearlman is a quintessential social worker with a strong desire to improve healthcare outcomes. She believes that the best way to support the largest number of people is through engaging the community of providers and allies. She has transitioned between provider and payer settings over the course of her career to develop her clinical skills and maximize her empathy of provider experience, with the mission of aligning perspectives around a shared focus and goal to improve healthcare for individuals and families.  Her clinical expertise is in crisis intervention, community based care, and clinical program design.  Amy believes that healthcare is strongly tied to the health of care providers and is proud to support the healthcare system in this way.

Paul Deger, MA, LPC, PT

Paul Deger is a mindfulness-based intervention specialist. He has been in the healthcare delivery world for 35 years - first as a physical therapist, then as a licensed professional counselor. Paul has worked in a broad range of healthcare environments - inpatient, outpatient, ER and home-based. He also has served as a trainer for health care providers - covering clinical and self-care topics. Paul has seen - and experienced provider burnout - and has found sustainable ways forward. A life-long learner, he seeks out ways to exemplify being human and professional, accessing head and heart, balancing self-care and caring for others. To learn more about Paul, click here.

The Burnout Antidote is a co-production from Psych Hub and is brought to you by Janssen Neuroscience.

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The skipped lunches, extra shifts, completing charting after your workday was supposed to end, fitting in the extra patient - we often go above and beyond to meet the needs of our patients in a stretched healthcare system. But running ourselves into the ground is not helping anyone. 

In this episode, co-hosts Amy and Paul talk about how to balance care delivery and taking care of your personal health when you have a chronic health condition. Our guest recalls her experience with the onset of a health condition and how she learned to advocate for her needs so that she could be healthy and care for others as well. 

Our Hosts:

Amy Pearlman, MSW, LICSW 

Amy Pearlman is a quintessential social worker with a strong desire to improve healthcare outcomes. She believes that the best way to support the largest number of people is through engaging the community of providers and allies. She has transitioned between provider and payer settings over the course of her career to develop her clinical skills and maximize her empathy of provider experience, with the mission of aligning perspectives around a shared focus and goal to improve healthcare for individuals and families.  Her clinical expertise is in crisis intervention, community based care, and clinical program design.  Amy believes that healthcare is strongly tied to the health of care providers and is proud to support the healthcare system in this way.

Paul Deger, MA, LPC, PT

Paul Deger is a mindfulness-based intervention specialist. He has been in the healthcare delivery world for 35 years - first as a physical therapist, then as a licensed professional counselor. Paul has worked in a broad range of healthcare environments - inpatient, outpatient, ER and home-based. He also has served as a trainer for health care providers - covering clinical and self-care topics. Paul has seen - and experienced provider burnout - and has found sustainable ways forward. A life-long learner, he seeks out ways to exemplify being human and professional, accessing head and heart, balancing self-care and caring for others. To learn more about Paul, click here.

The Burnout Antidote is a co-production from Psych Hub and is brought to you by Janssen Neuroscience.

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One in five U.S. adults experience a mental health condition each year.* What happens when the healer is also healing? As a healthcare clinician, do you feel like you have the space, resources, and support to take care of your own mental health? In this episode, co-hosts Amy and Paul discuss the experiences of healthcare clinicians who have a mental health condition, associated stigma, seeking help, and integrating our identities as healers and humans. Our guests discuss their experiences as healthcare providers with depression and anxiety. 

Content notice: This episode contains discussion of suicidal ideation and death. 

*Source: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. (2022). Key substance use and mental health indicators in the United States: Results from the 2021 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (HHS Publication No. PEP22-07-01-005, NSDUH Series H-57). Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. https://www.samhsa.gov/data/report/2021-nsduh-annual-national-report 

Our Hosts:

Amy Pearlman, MSW, LICSW 

Amy Pearlman is a quintessential social worker with a strong desire to improve healthcare outcomes. She believes that the best way to support the largest number of people is through engaging the community of providers and allies. She has transitioned between provider and payer settings over the course of her career to develop her clinical skills and maximize her empathy of provider experience, with the mission of aligning perspectives around a shared focus and goal to improve healthcare for individuals and families.  Her clinical expertise is in crisis intervention, community based care, and clinical program design.  Amy believes that healthcare is strongly tied to the health of care providers and is proud to support the healthcare system in this way.

Paul Deger, MA, LPC, PT

Paul Deger is a mindfulness-based intervention specialist. He has been in the healthcare delivery world for 35 years - first as a physical therapist, then as a licensed professional counselor. Paul has worked in a broad range of healthcare environments - inpatient, outpatient, ER and home-based. He also has served as a trainer for health care providers - covering clinical and self-care topics. Paul has seen - and experienced provider burnout - and has found sustainable ways forward. A life-long learner, he seeks out ways to exemplify being human and professional, accessing head and heart, balancing self-care and caring for others. To learn more about Paul, click here.

The Burnout Antidote is a co-production from Psych Hub and is brought to you by Janssen Neuroscience.

If you enjoy this podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe wherever you are listening, and share the show with your colleagues and friends. Check us out on YouTube.

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