Episodes

  • Summer Hiatus Announcement
    Jun 19 2024

    The pod will be going on hiatus until September! If you want to stay in touch, you can find us online at:

    • The Fanfic Writer’s Craft: tumblr ; spotify ; ko-fi
    • Lani (@copper-dust): tumblr ; AO3
    • Jo (@pebblysand): tumblr ; AO3

    Have a lovely summer!

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    1 min
  • S3E5. Motifs & Symbolism (Or, We're Okay Being Associated With S&M)
    May 21 2024

    In this episode, Jo (@pebblysand) and Lani (@copper-dust) discuss motifs and symbolism in writing. Lani goes through the different motifs she either intentionally or unintentionally uses in her own work, and they both caution against the use of clichéd symbols, like relying on weather to reflect a character’s emotions. They also address misconceptions about symbolism and Lani insists that not every detail in a story is symbolic. They encourage writers to develop their own personal motifs and use of symbols in their own works.


    This week, we mention:

    • Books: The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald ; The Eye in the Door by Pat Barker ; Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows by JK Rowling ; none of this is serious by Catherine Prasifka
    • Fandoms: Harry Potter
    • Fics: the wolf’s just a puppy (and the door’s double locked) by pebblysand ; castles by pebblysand ; merry men by copper_dust ; Check the Spindle by copper_dust ; The Atoners by copper_dust ; March Hare by copper_dust ;
    • Films: Pride and Prejudice ;
    • Music: Ren ; Taylor Swift
    • Musicals: Rent
    • Podcast episodes: S1E12. Writing War (Or, All of Us Are Going to Geneva)
    • TV: The OA ; Peaky Blinders ;
    • Visual Art: Susan Rotherberg ; Grayson Perry ;

    Your recommendations for this week are:

    • Baby Reindeer (TV)
    • this is how you remember it by Catherine Prasifka

    You can find us online at:

    • The Fanfic Writer’s Craft: tumblr ; spotify ; ko-fi
    • Lani (@copper-dust): tumblr ; AO3
    • Jo (@pebblysand): tumblr ; AO3
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    44 mins
  • S3E4. Use of Time in Narrative (Or, Defending the Artistic Merit of your Vampire Smut)
    Apr 21 2024

    In this episode, Jo (@pebblysand) and Lani (@copper-dust) delve into the use of time in narrative, focusing on techniques such as flashbacks, foreshadowing, and non-linear storytelling. Lani discusses her approach to incorporating time in her fanfiction, emphasizing the importance of moments of emotional intensity. They explore the use of non-linear narrative structures, discussing how they can enhance character development and mirror immersive thinking. They also share our strategies for handling transitions and overcoming challenges when incorporating time-related elements into fanfiction.


    This week, we mention:

    • Books: He Said/She Said by Erin Kelly
    • Fandoms: Harry Potter, Silk (BBC)
    • Fics: Maps to the Stars’ Homes by Lizbee, The Atoners by copper_dust, The Seam Between by copper_dust, Check the Spindle by copper_dust, castles by pebblysand, Children by pebblysand, Merry Men by copper_dust, Seven Simple Machines by fluorescentgrey, the fault in faulty manufacturing by pebblysand, ce ne sont que des cailloux by pebblysand
    • Film: Memento, Inception
    • Previous episodes: [BONUS] Wattpad & Platforms with @MyLittleDuckies (Or, Please, Save Your Works!)

    Your recommendations for this week are:

    • The Tortured Poets Department by Taylor Swift
    • Bad Blood by John Carreyrou (and the Bad Blood: The Final Chapter podcast)

    You can find us online at:

    • The Fanfic Writer’s Craft: tumblr ; spotify ; ko-fi
    • Lani (@copper-dust): tumblr ; AO3
    • Jo (@pebblysand): tumblr ; AO3
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    1 hr and 1 min
  • S3E3. Outlining (Or, Is This Just An Ad For Miro?)
    Mar 21 2024

    In this episode, Jo (@pebblysand) and Lani (@copper-dust) come back to the topic of outlining, which they briefly touched upon in our first season. Outlining is defined as the process of creating a structured plan before drafting a story, and is seen as crucial for both original fiction and fan fiction writers. They discuss their individual approaches to outlining, including the various tools they use, from quick notes they leave in notes apps to full visual boards. They delve into benefits they feel they gain from outlining in terms of maintaining coherence, aiding in pacing, and ensuring consistency in the narrative. Finally, they also note how outlining can serve as a tool for overcoming writer’s block and facilitating brainstorming sessions.


    This week, we mention:

    • Fics: The Arcane Thief by Snollygoster, Check the Spindle by copper_dust, The Seam Between by copper_dust, Merry Men by copper_dust, Lilac Falls by copper_dust, slipped (and said something sort of like your name) by pebblysand, castles by pebblysand, the fault in faulty manufacturing by pebblysand
    • Podcast: S1E2. How To Plot? (Or, Vibes - It’s 90% Vibes)?
    • Screenshots: for those of you who are curious, including here some links to the outline “board” for castles. Overall view ; Excerpt from the timeline ; More timeline notes ; Chapter outlines: example #1, chapter 18 ; example #2, chapter 19
    • Other: Webnovel contracts article, Miro, The Sorting Hat Chats test, pebblysand’s tumblr posts on outlining #1 & #2

    Your recommendations for this week are:

    • God is alive, magic is afoot by Buffy Sainte Marie
    • Rome by Solann
    • Taking a break from writing!

    You can find us online at:

    • The Fanfic Writer’s Craft: tumblr ; spotify ; ko-fi
    • Lani (@copper-dust): tumblr ; AO3
    • Jo (@pebblysand): tumblr ; AO3
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    48 mins
  • S3E2. Hot Takes & Nitpicks (Or, Pause This Podcast Right Now And Delete The Phrase 'Thin Cotton T-Shirt' From Your Fic With No Further Penalties)
    Feb 21 2024

    In this episode, Jo (@pebblysand) and Lani (@copper-dust) discuss their fanfiction hot takes and nit picks. Jo talks about engaging with comments, improving AO3, caring about statistics, and the misinformation that exists online about the monetisation of fanfiction. Lani expresses her desire for more creative additions to fanfiction, such as multimedia elements, and urges accuracy in portraying certain settings. Their nitpicks include issues like organizing one-shots within fics, clunky exposition, lack of extended worldbuilding in fantasy and sci-fi, redundant comparisons, and unnecessary material descriptions.


    This week, we mention:

    • Books: Harry Potter by JK Rowling ; The Elements of Style by Strunk & White
    • Films: The Truman Show ;
    • Fics: Manacled by senlinyu ;
    • Past episodes: S1E10. Multimedia in Fanfiction [Part 1] with @crazybutgood & @newsom (Or, Fooling the Security Cameras by Reading Fanfic At Work) ; S3E1. Audience (Or, Chances Are: You’re Not Going to Win the Nobel Prize for Fanfiction)
    • TV: The Good Wife
    • Other: @crazybutgood’s origami work, @getawayfox’s pie illustration work

    Your recommendations for this week are:

    • The Terror (novel & TV series) by Dan Simmons
    • The Giver by Lois Lowry
    • Occupied (TV series) (Netflix)

    You can find us online at:

    • The Fanfic Writer’s Craft: tumblr ; spotify ; ko-fi
    • Lani (@copper-dust): tumblr ; AO3
    • Jo (@pebblysand): tumblr ; AO3
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    50 mins
  • S3E1. Audience (Or, Chances Are: You’re Not Going to Win the Nobel Prize for Fanfiction)
    Jan 20 2024

    In this episode, Jo (@pebblysand) and Lani (@copper-dust) embark on an exploration of the intricate relationship between fanfic writers and their audience. They talk about navigating strategies for audience growth, emphasizing niche awareness, participation in fests, and the leveraging of social media. They delve into the importance of engagement, sharing tips on responding to comments and maintaining authenticity. They discuss their perspectives on the "write for yourself" advice, acknowledging the motivational impact of audience feedback and touch on the evolving culture of fandom over the past decade. Lastly, they explore the delicate topic of responding adequately to criticism and hate.

    This week, we mention:

    • Fandoms: Harry Potter, Peaky Blinders, Spooks
    • Fics: Sunset In Your Veins by baejax, Sleeper by orphan-account, All the Young Dudes by MsKingBean69, the fault in faulty manufacturing by pebblysand, Merry Men by copper_dust
    • Other: Alexandre Astier Interview (French), Title of Show (Musical)

    Your recommendations for this week are:

    • Girl A by Abigail Dean
    • Fool Me Once (TV series)
    • Bodies (TV Series)
    • Society of the Snow (Film)

    You can find us online at:

    • The Fanfic Writer’s Craft: tumblr ; spotify ; ko-fi
    • Lani (@copper-dust): tumblr ; AO3
    • Jo (@pebblysand): tumblr ; AO3


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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • S2E17. 2023 Wrap-Up (Or, We Don't Need to Talk about MH370 Right Now)
    Dec 20 2023

    In this episode, Jo (@pebblysand) and Lani (@copper-dust) engage in a year-end roundup exercise, reflecting on their fanfiction writing, favourite reads, and their podcasting wins of 2023. They discuss their word counts for the year and talk about the lines or scenes they enjoyed writing. They highlight some great comments and reviews they’ve received, and answer a listener’s question about what surprised them in 2023. Lastly, they also chat about their podcast statistics and discuss plans for the upcoming year.


    This week, we mention:

    • Books: Harry Potter by J.K. Rowling, Maurice by E.M. Forster, Spare by Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex
    • Fics: castles by pebblysand, The Wilderness by @batmansymbol, A Happier Year (Near About) by @peopleshooterhat, Harry Learns the Hard Way by copper_dust, a louisville slugger to both headlights by pebblysand, Merry Mean by copper_dust, Orchards by @whinlatter, Undefined by orbythesea, Sunset in Your Veins by baejax
    • Podcast: S2E2. Outgrowing Fandoms (or The Harry Episode), S2E3. Multimedia in Fanfiction [Part 2] with @rosalui (Or, Snackleholt Bingsley LARPs Warrior Cats on the Amazon Kindle)

    Your recommendations for this week are:

    • The Rougarou by @evesaintyves
    • This Word Lies at the Bottom of a Lake by berhanes
    • Rewatching, rereading something you love

    You can find us online at:

    • The Fanfic Writer’s Craft: tumblr ; spotify ; ko-fi
    • Lani (@copper-dust): tumblr ; AO3
    • Jo (@pebblysand): tumblr ; AO3
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    54 mins
  • S2E16. [BONUS] Platforms & Wattpad with @MyLittleDuckies (Or, Please, Save Your Works!)
    Dec 1 2023

    In this episode, Jo (@pebblysand) catches up with Baby Doll (a.k.a @maycandrawtingz) who has written a number of reader-insert fanfics in multiple anime fandoms. In this interview we talk about Baby Doll’s work, but also particularly about her use of Wattpad as the primary platform on which she used to post her work. Unfortunately, last summer, Baby Doll saw one of her very popular fics be deleted by Wattpad due to a breach of their terms and services, the ramifications of which we discuss in the episode.


    This week, we mention:

    • Animes: Demon Slayer, My Hero, Jujutsu Kaisen

    Your recommendations for this week are:

    • Writers, always save your work!

    You can find us online at:

    • Baby Doll: tumblr ; AO3
    • The Fanfic Writer’s Craft: tumblr ; spotify ; ko-fi
    • Lani (@copper-dust): tumblr ; AO3
    • Jo (@pebblysand): tumblr ; AO3

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    45 mins