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Hey, Wayward Friends. This episode (as well as Part 2) references an interview conducted at a fan-run convention panel 5 years ago. During the course of our research for this episode, we discovered that the moderator for that panel, Ada, recently passed away. We wanted to take this moment to send love to all that knew Ada and express gratitude to Ada herself for this iconic panel and all she gave to fandom.

Chrisha and Catherine continue their exploration of the 5th anniversary of the "I love you" heard around the world by delving into the much-celebrated Spanish Dub of "Despair." To help them better understand the context in which "Y yo a ti, Cas," happened, they bring on Catherine's friend, Elis. Elis hails from Brazil, where they also have a thriving dubbing industry (in Portuguese, of course!). She shares the cultural context of dubbing in non-English speaking countries―as well as a good portion of her fangirl knowledge about the dubbing process!

The three also delve into the history of the moment into which the Spanish Dub was released and the context of the interview with the voice actor, Guillermo Rojas (aka Memo), who spoke the unforgettable line.

Part 2 of this episode will look at the interview itself.

Credits:

• Audio of Misha Collins at DarkLight Con 2020: @HasnaaAlaa on Youtube
• Audio of the Latin American Spanish dub of "The Truth": @heartsmish on X
• Audio of Misha Collins discussing the "rogue translator": @mishacollins on X
• HarleyCon Interview with Guillermo Rojas, Dean Winchester's Latin American voice actor: @egoismht on YouTube

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Chrisha and Catherine are BACK to celebrate the 5th anniversary of the "I love you" heard around the world in Supernatural's episode "Despair."

They begin with an update on how they are both doing (spoiler alert: shipwreck documentaries and true crime are major pasttimes at the moment) and their take on the current status of fandom in general.

They then move on to the events from Purgatory Con 9, which took place in Dusseldorf, Germany, from May 31st-June 1st, 2025. They focus in particularly on Jensen talking about the meaning of "Watching Over Me" and his approbation as he listened to Misha discuss "Despair"'s homosexual declaration of love.

As part of this discussion, they contrast their past worry about getting things wrong in their analysis with their current, more relaxed feeling about approaching Supernatural-related material, even without the confirmation of figures like Ackles.

Their conclusion: If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it's a f***ing duck, y'all. And that's how they're going to approach everything from now on.

Note: The question Jensen answered about "Watching Over Me" was from @blanketforcas.bsky.social, who kindly provided us with a transcript of what she asked here after this episode went live! Thanks, Tess!

Credits:

• PurCon 9 Audio of Jensen talking about "Watching Over Me": meat+salt on X
• Article "'Supernatural' Fans are Losing It Over Jensen Ackles' Latest Confession": Lauren Gordon for Parade
• "I wrote 'Watching Over Me' for us" Destiel News Meme: dclovesdestiel on Tiktok
• Purcon 9 Text of Misha's answer to the query of what would have happened if Castiel arrived on S1: Drula aka CasIsLoved on X (via castiels-influence on tumblr)
• PurCon 9 Audio of Jensen and Misha's introduction on stage: MishsMaroon on X
• PurCon gif set of Misha talking about how "Despair" happened: purewasteland on tumblr

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Join Chrisha and Catherine for a chaotic episode where all of the things that can happen in the background at Catherine's apartment do while they try to talk all about the music in the finale of The Winchesters.

Topics range from just how exactly Dean did time- and universe-travel, to his kidnapping of the President of the United States, his introspection and shift from an active fighter to a guide, the City of Angels and the City of Love, and lots of Destiel musings.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Take a Stand" by Homer Greencastle; "Keep On Ramblin'" by Radio Company; "Baba O'Riley" by The Who; "LA Woman" by The Doors; "Americana" by Jay Gruska; "One of These Things First" by Nick Drake; "Watching Over Me" by Radio Company; "Ramble On" by Led Zeppelin; "That's No Way To Say Goodbye" by Leonard Cohen
Radio Company live concert credit: "Let Me Be" on Hannah Young's Youtube channel
Info about how the Ackles got "Ramble On": hermscat on Tumblr and Sharon87 on Twitter (Thanks, Tess, for the info and links! Wayward Friends, turns out Jensen went without salary for The Winchesters' finale so they could pay for the song--and a lot of work went on behind the scenes to get permission to use it!)

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CONTENT WARNING: There is a discussion of suicide and suidical ideation as it pertains to the characters of Akrida Kyle & Lata from The Winchesters and Dean from Supernatural. Please be aware and kind to yourselves, Wayward Friends. The portion that discusses this content is from 3:33 to 8:48 and has been marked as a chapter so you can easily skip it.

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start off the episode by going over some thoughts that have come to them since they started recording about the finale again in November 2023. They then focus in on the Akrida: Joan, their history, and their purpose, and discuss what makes a compelling villain and why the best villains always think they are on the side of good.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Running on Empty" by Jackson Browne
Jeremy Adams' tweet re: Why Cas wasn't in "Last Holiday"
Misha Collins audio clip credit: Supernatural: The Long Road Home

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start the discussion with Jack and his odd behavior at the end of Supernatural and during The Winchesters' finale before moving on to talk about Baby, The Winchesters' title card and its connection to the Akrida, and the logistics behind Cas' absence. The conclude by reflecting on what was left unresolved and what was healing for them personally.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
SPNNash 2021 audio clip credit: Gayle (thank you to @alishabless13 on Twitter for asking the question and helping us to find the audio!)
KSiteTV audio clip credit: GOTHAM KNIGHTS Misha Collins Interview
JIB 12 audio clip credit: Chuck Won on Tumblr (thank you to Veronica for letting us know about this clip!)

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss how the car scene at the end of the episode should have been, as a giant infodump, dull--and yet it was not (thanks, Ackles and Thompson!). They also discuss the clapbacks to the Supernatural finale, how dying and going through the multiverse changed Dean, the John and Dean role reversals, how the concept of reparenting applies in a very Supernatural way, and delve deep into Dean's monologue at the end of the episode.

Finally, they discuss what exactly Dean is now, and the implications that might have for any future iterations of Supernatural.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine catch up on what's been going on behind the scenes with each other, the writers' and actors' strikes and victories, the ongoing trash-fires at networks and streamers, and their gratitude to folks behind The Winchesters for giving fans a thoughtful and healing ending.

The main part of the episode focuses on the various members of the Monster Club:

Mary: Her similarities with the Akrida Queen's backstory and how her journey of healing led to different outcomes; her time in the portal and the impact of seeing all possible versions of herself; her decision to go with John at the end and the importance of Mary being the one to make that decision; and her journey from being trapped to living in freedom.

John: His decision to address his anger and work on healing it; his state of being completely lost after he arrived home from Vietnam, and the importance of Dean and Henry's letter; the healing that's happened in his relationship with Millie; and his transition from running towards danger to running towards hope.

Lata: Her immediate decision to put everything else aside to figure out how to help Ada; her strength/perceptiveness while under the control of Akrida Kyle; the way her attack on Joan complicates her pacifism; her importance in building community; & her journey from feeling less-than because of her pacifism to understanding her importance.

Carlos: His immediate and ongoing Dean thirst; his voyage from needing to be the front man to being part of the band; his affection for Ada and the important role he played in stopping her from jumping the gun with the crystal; and his role in saving the day by figuring out how to bring Baby back out of the world between worlds.

Millie: Her new communicative relationship with John; her continued strength, and the insight and help she brings as a mechanic to the Monster Club; and her care and concern for his relationship with Mary.

Ada: The loss and restoration of her soul; the importance of her openness about the sacrifice the crystal requires; and the way the Monster Club rallies around her, supports her, and protects her in a way that we think she isn't used to.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW
Music clip credits: "Exile" by Taylor Swift

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Note: This is a re-release of Chrisha and Catherine's reaction episode to The Winchesters' finale, which was originally released on March 8, 2023. A full analysis of "That's No Way to Say Goodbye" will be released in January, 2024.

In this raw audio episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss their initial reactions to The Winchesters' season finale, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye," with particular attention to the healing work this episode and the entire season did in the wake of Supernatural's series finale, "Carry On."

A full analysis of the episode will happen at a later date, and they will continue to release episodes about the rest of the season in order!

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