Early this week, I texted Kirk Goldsberry to invite him onto the pod and talk about his awesome new book, HOOP ATLAS: Mapping the Remarkable Transformation of the Modern NBA. He was in. He had one request.

Can we get Brandon Payne on too?

YES.

A man of many talents, Goldsberry is a professor of Sports Analytics at the University of Texas and has worked at ESPN and the San Antonio Spurs, and evidently, he is also a great producer. It was a great hour with Goldsberry and Payne.

Goldsberry’s changed the way we watch and talk about basketball, if not changed basketball itself. In his chapter on Stephen Curry, Goldsberry talked to our pal Brandon Payne, Curry’s longtime trainer, and shared a bunch of insights on what makes Curry one of one. You should pick up Goldsberry’s book at your local Amazon store. Tell ‘em I sent ya!

We caught Payne just before he headed out to The Bay to run some workouts with Curry before he jets off to France for the Olympics this summer. As always, he shared so much wisdom with us about basketball, especially here in the States compared to abroad.

On this episode, we hit a bunch of topics:

* The technology that Stephen Curry uses in workouts

* Why the nose is so important

* Why swishes aren’t good enough for Payne re: Steph

* Goldsberry’s campaign to kill the corner 3

* The return of the bigs

* The problem with American youth basketball

* What is Wemby going to do to basketball?

* Are there too many 3s?

You might have seen the Patrick Mahomes stat that went viral this week. The man behind that stat, , joins us this week at The Finder.

An old colleague from the ESPN days, the whip-smart proprietor of Neil’s Substack talks about using numbers to do premium storytelling, his final days at the now-defunct The Messenger, Denver’s altitude as a superpower, the full-circle response to his “infamous” Andrew Wiggins story, reimagining the Kobe Bryant clutch debate, his recent post on an NBA efficiency paradox and what he learned while working in the Atlanta Hawks’ basketball operations.

Really great to catch up with Paine. Follow my lead and subscribe to his Substack!

After Kyrie Irving dropped 44 on the red-hot Knicks, we had to run it back with Brandon Payne.

Stephen Curry’s longtime trainer Brandon Payne couldn’t wait to talk about Irving’s array of shot-making, creativity and space creation. What struck me about Irving is how unique his moves are. Totally unpredictable. No one else is like him.

On Friday we ran thr…

Victor Wembanyama celebrated his 20th birthday by melting candles and melting minds on Thursday.

27 points, 9 rebounds and 5 blocks in just 26 minutes against Milwaukee Bucks’ frontline of Giannis Antetokounmpo and Brook Lopez. The numbers don’t do his performance justice.

The behind-the-back And-1 dunk in transition on Brook Lopez.

The backdoor cut that j…

Stephen Curry dropped 36 points on Tuesday night against Orlando with a couple shots that made its way through socials.

Since y’all seemed to love the Steph moonball video we did, I sent out the Brandon Payne bat signal.

He’s been Stephen Curry’s skills trainer and shot guru for Curry for years.

We went through each and every one of Curry’s 12 makes. Slow…

One of my favorite people (and a favorite to so many others in the NBA universe), my friend Travonne “Tray” Edwards joins the pod at a very … let’s say transitional time in my life.

The copywriter at top ad agency Weiden-Kennedy / author of two books / confidante to NBA stars / Count The Dings co-founder / social media expert / Compton native / amazing teammate helps me untangle the web of emotions following my mother’s recent death.

First, the social media guru explains the memification of the Mexico aliens and how to game the Twitter/X/Instagram system. We ask: is it actually shameful to pay for Twitter Blue?

Then we get to the heavy stuff. The text he sent me after my mom died. Grief. Loss. Childhood trauma. Forgiveness and what it was like to have a mom who was 14. The difference between a mom and Mom. Gratitude. Spiritual healing. A lot.

Then he breaks some big news about Team USA.

As he texted me after, “it’s not a pod it’s a open convo.”

Enjoy. And go follow Tray.

Thank you to super producer Anthony Mayes.

This week’s guest is ESPN’s Dan Orlovsky, a former NFL quarterback and terrific TV analyst for ESPN NFL Live and Monday Night Football. He’s also bff’s with my older brother Chuck.

This week on the pod, we discuss:

* Why don’t pro athletes play two sports anymore? My recent piece on Bo and Deion.

* Why specialization and year-round youth sports is “suffocating” kids

* Why Dan doesn’t want to parent like his father

* Did the end zone blooper make him a better TV analyst?

* Could Calvin Johnson have played in the NBA/MLB?

* Did the official NFL data get his first TD wrong?

* Why he loves to make fun of himself

I was going to wait a bit before I launched a podcast on The Finder. And then on Tuesday, ESPN went ahead and announced ESPN The Sportsbook! Kinda.

I had lots of questions so I asked my two industry buddies/gurus to hop on — the Bens.

Ben Fawkes — formerly of ESPN Chalk, the gambling section of ESPN.com, and VSiN — came to us from Vegas to share his sports betting expertise from the inside.

Ben Aronson, a longtime media/marketing executive, weighs in on the sports business side.

A little rundown …

🔦 Why did this happen now? Was it the earnings call?

🔦 Why Penn? How much market share do they have?

🔦 How does this impact newsbreakers like Adam Schefter and Adrian Wojnarowski? Is this why Woj all of a sudden stopped tipping his NBA Draft picks?

🔦 Will this make ESPN’s app indispensable?

🔦 Should ESPN restrict what kind of bets ESPN Bet offers? Should employees be allowed to gamble on sports?

So … what’s your bet on how this plays out?