Host Brian Van Bower joins guest Andy Kaner, they emphasize the importance of meticulous planning and attention to detail in pool building. They discuss the value of both hand drawings and digital drawings in the design process, highlighting how hand drawings allow for quick adjustments and idea generation, while digital drawings facilitate communication with architects and engineers. They introduce D180, a course focusing on drawing principles and communication techniques, suitable for those without prior drawing education. The conversation delves into what should be included in a pool plan, such as title pages, site plans, layout details, and equipment lists. They stress the significance of thorough review processes before finalizing plans. Additionally, they emphasize the importance of early involvement with designers to ensure proper equipment estimation and space planning, ultimately aiming for optimal project performance.

Host Brian Van Bower interviews Mike Farley, Elite Design Consultant at Claffey Pools, focusing on client approach and project collaboration. Farley stresses the importance of defining style and focal points early on, emphasizing the role of architecture in inspiring pool projects. He highlights the necessity of adapting to changes and integrating landscape design for cohesive outdoor spaces. Farley also discusses the value of education and charging for design services, emphasizing their long-term benefits in improving profitability and client commitment. Overall, the episode provides valuable insights into client interactions, collaboration, and professional development in the pool industry.

Host Brian Van Bower and GENESIS co-founder Skip Phillips are joined by special guest Maria Moscato, the newly appointed GENESIS International Design & Wellness Faculty Advisor. Maria discusses her goals for GENESIS students, focusing on European/Italian design and the wellness market within the pool/spa sector. She emphasizes the importance of integrating pool designs with the surrounding landscape to promote wellness and mental calmness. She highlights the significance of global design ideas and discusses the longstanding connection between environment and wellness. Maria also explores the concept of "wellness" and its new meaning of "longevity.”