But this conversation with Chauna Bryant shifted everything. Chauna is a trauma-informed breathwork professional, and founder of Breath Liberation Society. She also describes herself as “probably the least chill meditation teacher you’ll ever meet.”

Together, they explore how breathwork can offer a more accessible entry point for overthinkers and busy brains. Instead of forcing stillness, breathwork gives the mind something active to focus on — what Chauna compares to “giving your brain an iPad” to occupy it — while the body does its own work.

They also talk about how breathwork differs from traditional meditation, why it’s particularly helpful for people with trauma histories, and how starting small (even just two breaths or two minutes) can be helpful.

If mindfulness has ever felt like it wasn’t made for your kind of mind, this episode is for you.

Episode Highlights:

• Why breathwork succeeds where traditional meditation fails for many people
• The difference between activating and calming breathwork techniques
• How to start a somatic practice when you're resistant to body-based work
• Trauma-informed approaches to breathwork and nervous system regulation
• The power of "titration" - starting with just 2 minutes instead of diving in
• Why consent and agency are crucial in breathwork practice
• Understanding breathwork as "nervous system pushups" for stress resilience

Key Concepts Explored:

• Conscious connected breathing and three-part breath techniques
• The origins and cultural lineages of breathwork practices
• How breathwork allows nonverbal processing of emotions and trauma
• The importance of finding trauma-informed, skilled practitioners
• Why patience becomes "your first form of body connection"

Common Questions Answered:

• What exactly is breathwork and how is it different from meditation?
• How can I start if I'm resistant to body-based practices?
• Is breathwork safe for people with trauma history?
• What should I expect from my first breathwork experience?

Notable Quotes:

“Breathwork gives the brain something to do. It’s just weird enough that it helps the body start to process what we’ve shelved or ignored.” — Chauna Bryant [00:04:00]

“Whatever you’re doing, try like a minute. Try two minutes. Give it two minutes and then get out. That’s the way to start to build that body connection.” — Chauna Bryant [00:14:00]

“For a lot of us with busy brains, patience is going to be our first form of body connection.” — Chauna Bryant [00:16:00]

“Just let the experience exist without having to slap words on it.” — Chauna Bryant [00:31:00]

“In breathwork, you get to choose as much or as little as you do—and whatever you choose, you’ll be cheered on fiercely.” — Chauna Bryant [00:34:00]

Chapters:

[00:00:00] Introduction: Welcome to Thinkydoers and Meet Chauna Bryant

[00:02:00] What is Breathwork? Active Meditation for Busy Brains

[00:05:00] Origins and Cultural Lineages of Breathwork Practices

[00:06:00] From Brain-Centered to Body-Aware: Sara and Chauna's Common Ground

[00:08:00] Chauna's Journey: From Gymnast to "Least Chill Meditation Teacher"

[00:11:00] The Meditation Failure and Discovering Breathwork

[00:12:00] Getting Started: Overcoming Resistance to Somatic Practices

[00:15:00] Perfectionism and All-or-Nothing Thinking in Body

From leaders trying to weaponize OKRs as surveillance tools to the popular (but problematic) advice to limit teams to just one strategic priority, this conversation will challenge norms you might not be able to imagine actually exist out there.

You'll discover why monthly check-ins might mean you're tracking instead of managing, how geography is shaping OKR strategy differently across continents, and why Excel is making a surprising comeback in the enterprise. Plus, Sara drops a financial metrics hot take that might make your CFO squirm.

This isn't your typical goal-setting advice. It's three veteran practitioners sharing what they're really seeing in the field, complete with the controversies, contradictions, and hard-won insights that only come from years in the trenches.

Episode Highlights:

• Quarterly vs. Trimesterly Planning: why the Q4 “drop-off” is real—and how cadence choices impact OKR adoption across teams
• Biweekly Reinforcement Loops: how one leadership team’s consistent review rhythm is accelerating organization-wide buy-in
• Tool Sprawl & Excel Resurgence: why many orgs are ditching premium OKR platforms for scrappier, process-first setups
• When Tools Hurt More Than Help: the danger of letting project management tools define your key results
• Hot Takes on OKRs: financial metrics don’t belong in key results (and one-size-fits-all “just one OKR” advice? Hard pass)
• Big Brother OKRs?: pushing back when leadership wants to use OKRs for surveillance instead of strategy
• Q3 Preview: a deep dive on execution, achievement—and how to actually decide what OKR tooling makes sense for your org

Key Concepts Explored:

• Hybrid Localization Approaches
• Leadership sets objectives, teams shape Key Results
• Themes as bridges when objectives don't translate locally
• KRs and Sub-KRs for fast-moving Scrum teams
• Moving away from rigid objective cascading
• Timing Model Evolution
• Biweekly check-ins integrated with Scrum cycles
• The discipline of at least twice-weekly KR management
• Quarterly vs. trimester cycle trade-offs
• Event-triggered OKR adjustments for volatile environments
• Tool Integration Strategies
• Process-first, tool-second implementation approach
• Excel resurgence due to cost considerations
• Avoiding dueling OKR and project management platforms
• Recognition that L1 and L2 math doesn't require specialty software
• Controversial Practices and Hot Takes
• OKRs as surveillance tools (problematic)
• Arbitrary "one OKR only" mandates (counterproductive)
• Financial metrics as KPIs vs. Key Results (contentious)
• Project deliverables masquerading as OKRs (misleading)

Notable Quotes:

"If you have a KR that you only manage monthly, you are not managing it, you're tracking it. Because you essentially have two data points, and then the quarter is over." — Maria Rowcliffe [00:06:00]

"Once we learn the words and leadership is modeling the words and meanings, then the rigidity can come out of the framework." — Sara Lobkovich [00:04:00]

"Financial metrics belong in mandatories and budgets. They're KPIs, they aren't key results." — Sara Lobkovich [00:15:00]

"Bad news only gets worse with time. So the earlier they can

In this first part of our quarterly update, we dive deep into the generative AI revolution (spoiler: it's not as revolutionary as everyone claims), the evolving art of OKR localization across complex organizations, and why your retrospectives might be the most important OKR practice you might be doing wrong. Whether you're an OKR skeptic, a seasoned practitioner, or somewhere in between, this conversation will give you practical insights you can't get anywhere else.

Episode Highlights:

• Generative AI in OKRs: why draft quality is improving, but real strategic impact is still lagging behind
• TRV (Technology Realized Value): the Big Five’s new metric for linking OKRs to actual tech investment outcomes
• The “Two Lists” Problem: how teams are secretly working off dual strategies—and why it’s undermining OKR focus
• Cascading and Localization: evolving models for aligning across global teams, even amid geopolitical complexity
• Culture-First OKRs: tailoring implementation to readiness, from transformation-driven overhauls to scrappy gradual rollouts
• Retrospectives that matter: how deeper reflection—not just review—builds quarter-over-quarter OKR maturity

Key Concepts Explored:

• Generative AI in OKRs: Where it's accelerating strategy work, where it's falling short, and the risk of generic, uncontextualized models
• Technology Realized Value (TRV): A new metric used alongside OKRs to measure the tangible impact of tech investments
• The “Two Lists” Problem: How parallel strategic workstreams outside the OKR framework dilute focus and undermine accountability
• Localization & Alignment: Why clear, bottom-up contribution is critical in global, matrixed organizations—especially in high-stakes geopolitical climates
• Culture-Responsive Implementation: Tailoring OKR rollouts based on organizational readiness, risk appetite, and transformation goals
• Iterative Learning over Perfection: Why OKR maturity builds quarter over quarter—and how learning from retrospectives is more valuable than writing the “perfect” OKR
• Leading vs. Lagging Indicators: The power of AI to help surface potential leading indicators clients may struggle to define on their own
• Transformation & Change Management: How OKRs, when paired with transformation strategy, become powerful drivers of organizational evolution

Notable Quotes:

"Is this really driving the value you wanted to achieve? How do you know who cares? So what happens if this is done or not done? These things that don't get asked are so critically important to make sure that people are focused on the right work." — Natalie Webb [00:12:00]

"If I could only tell clients one thing about OKRs, it would be we spend all of our time focused on writing them and then way too little time focused on learning from them." — Sara Lobkovich [00:23:00]

"I think the best way to use OKRs initially is always the way that the company is willing and able to adopt it. Me talking about the gold star way of doing OKRs isn't gonna help clients that are at the crawling level and not a hundred percent convinced yet." — Maria Rowcliffe [00:21:00]

"OKRs are really hard. We're talking about change - really hard for people to stick with when it gets challenging." — Sara Lobkovich [00:28:00]

Chapters:

[00:00:00] Introduction:...

If you’ve ever felt like community just isn’t for you… this episode might just change everything.

Episode Highlights:

• Carrie’s journey with social anxiety and building inclusive, "quiet" communities
• Belonging without active participation—research and real-life insights
• Using bodily awareness and boundaries to stay grounded as a community creator
• Self-leadership and support systems to prevent burnout in community work
• Practical tips for both hosts and participants to feel more confident and aligned

Key Concepts Explored:

• Self-Regulation in Online Spaces: How digital communities offer spaces for thoughtful connection for introverts and neurodivergent people.
• Quiet Communities: Community spaces that don't demand constant engagement and allow people to participate on their own terms.
• Meaningful Engagement vs. Engagement for Engagement's Sake: The importance of connecting community activities to purpose and growth rather than arbitrary metrics.
• Body Awareness as Community Evaluation: Using physical reactions and feelings as guidance for whether a community is a good fit.
• Belonging Without Participation: Research findings on how affiliation alone can create a sense of belonging without requiring active involvement.
• Self-Leadership in Community Building: Managing internal dialogues and anxieties that arise when creating and managing communities.
• Community as Healing Practice: How creating spaces for others can help heal our own relationship to connection.
• Distributed Leadership: Inviting others' contributions rather than trying to do everything yourself.
• Community Building as a Long Game: The importance of patience and persistence in both building and participating in communities.

Notable Quotes:

"If there's a place that you wish existed... why not be the person that starts that?"

— Carrie Melissa Jones [00:13:00]

"You cannot do it alone. It's not a solo activity. To really create a community, you've got to see, recognize, and invite in the gifts of others and others' contributions."

— Carrie Melissa Jones[00:42:32] - [00:42:54]

I start everything I do scared and then once you get rolling it gets fun. Nothing starts fun. Everything starts with anxiety.

— Sara Lobkovich [00:46:45]

Chapters:

[00:00:00] Introduction and Meet Carrie Melissa Jones

[00:05:51] Social Anxiety and Career: Turning Challenges into Expertise

[00:11:22] Redefining Community: "Quiet Communities" and Meaningful Engagement

[00:15:38] Challenging the "Not a Joiner" Identity and Finding Your Fit

[00:19:53] Body Awareness: Using Physical Responses as Your Community Guide

[00:25:32] Advice for Shy Community Creators: Boundaries and Sustainability

[00:29:42] Research Insights: Belonging Without Active Participation

[00:39:03] Self-Leadership and Distributed Responsibility in Community Building

[00:44:30] Practical Pre-Launch Strategies and "Doing It Scared"

[00:48:10] The Long Game: Advice for Participants, Hosts, and Closing Thoughts

Upcoming Events:

• Q3 Strategic Achievement Intensive is now waitlisting!...

Are you struggling to maintain strategic focus in today's unpredictable environment?

In this lo-fi, candid episode, Sara shares her insights on navigating strategic planning during persistent uncertainty. Whether you're impacted by shifting tariffs, changes in public funding, or volatile market conditions, this episode offers practical frameworks to maintain strategic momentum when forecasting feels (or is) impossible.

• The Twin Traps: Why both over-planning and strategic abandonment are dangerous reactions to chaos
• OKRs as an Antidote: How focusing on outcomes rather than activities creates strategic flexibility
• Three-Step Framework: A practical approach to maintaining strategic momentum during turbulent times
• Building in Public: The strategic advantage of quick launches during rapid change

• How do you create strategic plans when the environment is constantly changing?
• What should replace detailed action planning when circumstances shift frequently?
• How can leaders maintain team focus during periods of high uncertainty?

[00:00:00] Introduction to Thinkydoer Shorts

[00:00:36] Current Challenges in Strategic Planning

[00:01:49] Upcoming Workshop: Strategy During Chaos

[00:02:46] Adapting Strategic Plans to Uncertainty

[00:03:06] Avoiding Over-Planning and Abandonment

[00:06:49] Three Steps for Strategic Resilience

[00:08:07] Focusing on Immediate Priorities

[00:09:26] The To-Done List Approach

[00:12:03] Conclusion and Upcoming Events

• Strategy During Chaos Workshop: May 7th at 9:00 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific. Just $19 (scholarships available). Register at findrc.co
• No-BS Strategic Achievement Intensive: May 15th-16th (two half-days). Create chaos-proof strategic plans with structured exercises and supported coworking. Register at findrc.co

"You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" will be available in print (hardback and softback) on May 6th. Get the ebook now wherever you buy books. More info: youareastrategist.com

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• Find Sara @saralobkovich on most social media platforms.
• For show notes and the full episode transcript, visit

In this episode of Thinkydoers, host Sara Lobkovich welcomes self-development and executive career coach Jessica Manca to discuss perfectionism, overthinking, and intrinsic motivation. Jessica shares her journey from management consultant to coach and offers practical tools for overcoming limiting beliefs. We discuss the difference between professional coaching versus advising, the impact of negative self-talk, and how to shift from an over-focus on external (or extrinsic) to internal (or intrinsic) motivation. This conversation provides valuable insights for Thinkydoers who struggle with perfectionism and overthinking, who need some professional development support to unblock their potential and get unstuck.

• Jessica's transition from management consultant to self-development coach
• The difference between professional coaching and advising
• Jessica's four inner limits that block perfectionists: stories, excuses, limiting beliefs, and fears
• How to recognize and shift negative self-talk patterns
• The importance of intrinsic motivation and "motivational buoyancy"
• How challenging career setbacks can become opportunities for growth

[00:00:00] - Introduction to Thinkydoers podcast and Jessica Manca

[00:02:00] - Jessica introduces herself and her work with perfectionists and introverts

[00:03:00] - Jessica's journey from management consultant to coach

[00:05:00] - Early signs of Jessica's coaching abilities within her consulting firm

[00:07:00] - Discussion about professional coaching vs. disciplinary coaching

[00:08:00] - The difference between ICF certified coaching and other forms of coaching

[00:12:00] - The importance of active listening in coaching

[00:13:00] - Jessica's goal setting workshop approach with three columns

[00:14:00] - The four inner limits: stories, excuses, limiting beliefs, and fears

[00:17:00] - How mindfulness helps notice your stories and patterns

[00:19:00] - How language reveals mindset and creates barriers

[00:20:00] - Example of how the word "but" can sabotage ideas

[00:22:00] - Discussion of Jessica's ebook "Self-Motivation is Your New Superpower"

[00:24:00] - How setbacks can be valuable for personal growth

[00:25:00] - Where to find Jessica's resources and upcoming workshops

[00:27:00] - Announcement about Sara's new book "You Are a Strategist: Use No BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done"

Jessica Manca is a self-development coach, executive career coach, speaker, and author of "Finding Passion" who helps perfectionists and introverts unlock their best selves without overthinking. With a background as a former management consultant on the partner track, Jessica experienced burnout firsthand and discovered coaching as a path to personal transformation. She specializes in helping people align their work with the person they want to be, addressing limiting beliefs and negative self-talk patterns. Jessica is ICF certified and works toward helping clients develop the tools...

Self-promotion can feel uncomfortable—especially for introverted, thoughtful, or reserved Thinkydoers. But what if sharing your impact didn’t have to feel like cringey “bragging?”

In this episode, client experience copywriter and founder of The Content Witches, Nailah King, joins host Sara Lobkovich to explore how to craft authentic client stories that go beyond traditional case studies. Nailah shares practical strategies for telling compelling stories that showcase your work—even when your impact isn’t easily measured in revenue or metrics.

Learn how to manage rejection sensitivity and build confidence in sharing your work stories; and, how to create marketing materials that align with your values instead of squeezing your unique approach into conventional formats.

• Why traditional case studies don’t work for every business and how to tell client stories differently
• Strategies for showcasing your impact without relying on revenue-based metrics
• Managing rejection sensitivity and building confidence in sharing your work
• How introverted and low-energy Thinkydoers can approach self-promotion authentically
• Aligning your marketing materials with your values instead of forcing them into conventional formats
• Practical storytelling techniques to make your work more visible and engaging
• The emotional side of marketing—navigating vulnerability, rejection, and self-doubt
• Nailah’s personal journey and lessons learned from working with values-driven clients
• First steps to crafting client stories that feel natural, honest, and impactful

• Authentic Storytelling & Client Impact
• Why traditional case studies don’t work for every business and how to create meaningful client stories
• Strategies for showcasing impact without relying on revenue-based metrics
• The power of storytelling to make your work more visible and engaging
• Self-Promotion for Introverts & Low-Energy Thinkydoers
• How to market yourself authentically without feeling like you’re bragging
• Overcoming the fear of visibility and rejection sensitivity
• Values-Aligned Marketing & Ethical Storytelling
• Creating marketing materials that reflect your values rather than fitting into conventional formats
• The emotional side of sharing your work—navigating vulnerability, self-doubt, and rejection
• How ethical storytelling can help build stronger client relationships and trust
• Building Confidence & Overcoming Rejection Sensitivity
• Understanding rejection sensitivity and how it affects self-promotion
• Strategies for developing confidence in sharing your work and experiences
• First steps to telling client stories in a way that feels natural and impactful

[00:00:00] Welcome to Thinkydoers podcast and introduction

[00:01:00] Introduction to Nailah King and why Sara invited her on the podcast

[00:03:00]...

AI is transforming the way we work—but how can Thinkydoers use generative AI responsively and productively—as a tool, not a time-suck?

In part two of our conversation with AI ethicist and strategist Dvorah Graeser, we get practical about leveraging AI tools, particularly for deep specialists and strategic thinkers. Building on our discussion of ethics and implications from Episode 38, Dvorah shares specific ways to move from anxiety to agency with AI while maintaining your ethics and humanity. Learn how to use AI tools to organize your thoughts, improve communication with different audiences, and enhance your work as a specialist, all while preserving what makes us uniquely human.

• How AI can help specialists move from anxiety to agency and practical ways to embrace AI tools with confidence
• Using AI to organize complex ideas and turn scattered thoughts into structured outlines
• The power of AI iteration and dialogue to refine thinking, decision-making, and communication
• Fact-checking and avoiding AI hallucinations with tools like Perplexity AI and multi-tool validation
• Enhancing communication for deep specialists by adapting messaging for different audiences, including neurodivergent thinkers and general business professionals
• Leveraging AI for buyer personas and using marketing strategies to improve AI-generated content and audience targeting
• AI as an assistive tool for neurodivergence and how it supports executive functioning challenges and workflow efficiency
• Emotional processing and AI as a tool for self-reflection while recognizing its limitations in mental health support
• First steps to overcoming AI anxiety and why understanding your emotional response to AI is crucial before integrating it into your workflow
• Resources and further learning, including Dvorah’s free PDF on emotions in AI and an invitation to submit questions for future discussions

AI for Organization & Creativity

• How AI helps specialists structure ideas and overcome creative overwhelm
• The role of AI in iterative thinking and refining communication
• AI’s effectiveness in summarizing, outlining, and organizing complex information

AI Accuracy & Fact-Checking

• Strategies for verifying AI-generated content and reducing hallucinations
• Using multi-tool validation with AI models like Perplexity AI and Claude
• Limitations of AI in handling data accuracy and research citations

AI for Specialists & Communication

• How AI helps deep specialists communicate with broader audiences
• Leveraging buyer personas to tailor AI-generated messaging
• Using AI to bridge communication gaps between neurodivergent and neurotypical audiences

AI for Neurodivergent Thinkers

• AI as an adaptive tool for executive function and workflow management
• The role of AI in supporting focus, organization, and stress reduction
• Ethical considerations of AI in self-reflection and emotional regulation

Overcoming AI Anxiety & Ethical Adoption

• The shift from AI anxiety to AI agency and practical steps for confident adoption
• The importance of emotional awareness in integrating AI into personal and professional workflows
• Resources for understanding the emotional impact of AI and strategies for responsible use

00:00 Introduction to Thinkydoers Podcast and Episode Overview

01:00 From AI Anxiety to AI Agency – How Specialists Can Take Control

02:00 Organizing Chaotic Thoughts with AI – Turning Sticky Notes into Structure

04:00 The Power of Iteration – Using AI for Back-and-Forth Thinking