Russ: "I'm finding myself in some fresh territory in terms of ministry demands. And I want to ask y'all, what are the gaps between your theological, biblical, or ministry training? How did you discover those gaps in the process of ministry, and what have you done to kind of close the gap between your skill set and the demands of your ministry?"

Duke: "Well, how you find out that there's a gap is you get your butt kicked."

Lately, Russ has been feeling the disconnect between his ministry training and the real-life demands of ministry.

In this episode, Glenn, Duke, and Russ explore the inherent limitations of seminary and other ministry training, and the ways they can fill in the gaps.

Till We Feast is:

• Glenn Hoburg, Pastor of Grace DC Downtown
• Duke Kwon, Pastor of Grace DC Meridian Hill and author of Reparations: A Christian Call for Repentance & Repair
• Russ Whitfield, Pastor of Grace Mosaic and the Director of Cross-Cultural Advancement for Reformed University Fellowship

Till We Feast is produced by Area Code Audio.

"It's almost like when I was a young seminarian I had the view that Jesus was building his church through the apostolic age, a little bit through Augustine, and then he just kind of stopped for a thousand years and then he started during the Reformation.

I look at my bookshelf and I see a lot of one side of the church, and one cultural expression of that theology. I feel stuck stuck there."

This week, Glenn's thinking about the catholicity of the church, and in particular how he can break out of the box his own spiritual tradition has made him accustomed to.

So how can Glenn incorporate wisdom from across the diverse Church? He, Russ and Duke spend time wrestling with this question, exploring the values and limitations of different traditions, and where pastors can look beyond just books to find fresh perspectives.

Till We Feast is:

• Glenn Hoburg, Pastor of Grace DC Downtown
• Duke Kwon, Pastor of Grace DC Meridian Hill and author of Reparations: A Christian Call for Repentance & Repair
• Russ Whitfield, Pastor of Grace Mosaic and the Director of Cross-Cultural Advancement for Reformed University Fellowship

Till We Feast is produced by Area Code Audio.

"I've been thinking about, how do you know when you're just experiencing a seasonal kind of fatigue because of an intense ministry season versus the beginnings of burnout?

This is a busy season for us. It involves your regular ministry kickoffs, a new sermon series, new events that you're doing, but add into that our community is in the process of trying to purchase a building. That's like a whole other job. And then you figure home stuff, life stuff.

I don't know if I've ever experienced burnout. But I'm curious as to how you guys would differentiate between ordinary ministry fatigue and the beginnings of ministry burnout."

This week, Russ wonders if he's burning out or just sprinting hard, while Duke shares his own experience with ministry burnout, and the ways Glenn's proactive leadership helped him recover.

Till We Feast is:

• Glenn Hoburg, Pastor of Grace DC Downtown
• Duke Kwon, Pastor of Grace DC Meridian Hill and author of Reparations: A Christian Call for Repentance & Repair
• Russ Whitfield, Pastor of Grace Mosaic and the Director of Cross-Cultural Advancement for Reformed University Fellowship

Till We Feast is produced by Area Code Audio.