“It takes enormous courage and enormous compassion to face reality. To say ‘I want my little contribution to make a difference. Maybe only in the lives of my colleagues, family, and community, but that's enough actually.’”

Today's episode is with author and systems thinker, Margaret Wheatley. For over four decades, she's been helping leaders show up fully in these chaotic times and find meaningful ways to serve. She’s the author of Leadership and The New Science and Who Do We Choose To Be?

I'll be honest - I find Margaret's work both inspiring and deeply confronting. Part of me appreciates her invitation to look directly at the pattern of societal collapse we're in, relieved someone's telling the truth without sugarcoating. Another part wonders if we can really predict how it'll all turn out.

We talk about facing the reality of collapse with clear eyes, redefining meaningful work and life in this context, and how coaches and leaders can move beyond individualism towards community-centered approaches.

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• 02:33 - The power of clear-eyed leadership in chaotic times
• 09:36 - Embracing reality to find meaningful service
• 13:09 - Breaking free from "hopium" to see our authentic path
• 22:45 - Cultivating presence through mindfulness practices
• 25:42 - Embracing the warrior spirit in a changing world
• 30:39 - Redefining meaningful work and life in turbulent times
• 36:15 - Community as the answer to individualism
• 41:54 - Ancient wisdom we need at these times

• MargaretWheatley.com
• Who Do We Choose To Be (book)
• Restoring Sanity (book)
• Leadership in the New Science (book)
• So Far From Home (book)
• Warriors for the Human Spirit (Margaret’s training program)
• Berkana Institute
• Pema Chodron

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“My invitation is just to let ourselves feel the pain. That we don't have to have the shame on top of it. It’s painful to know that I have contributed to the harm of another person and that I had no idea. I don't have to hold shame about it. I can grieve that.”

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In this conversation, Andréa Ranae and I explore some juicy questions: How has the coaching industry's engagement with social justice evolved over the past 8 years? What does it look like for coaches to recognize our collective power to shape the industry?

Andréa shares stories of the breakthroughs and challenges she's witnessed as her students become politicized. We discuss the importance of taking collective responsibility as coaches and healers. We also dig into the role of shame, and how it can serve as a wake-up call but shouldn't keep us stuck.

Andréa Ranae is a coach, facilitator, and singer-songwriter who has dedicated her life to exploring how we can live, work, and relate in ways that contribute to impactful social change.

• How has the coaching industry evolved in its engagement with social justice over the last eight years?
• What were some of the key concepts and frameworks Andréa needed to introduce to coaches who were new to social justice?
• What breakthroughs have coaches experienced as they became more politicized through her teachings?
• How can coaches use their collective power to shape the industry and create systemic change?
• What questions can politicized coaches ask themselves to work toward collective liberation?
• How can shame serve as an indicator of change, and what role does it play in keeping systems of domination in place?

• Coaching as Activism (Andréa Ranae's program)
• Article: "Why the Self-Help Industry Isn't Changing the World" by Andréa Ranae
• Article: "Why the Self-Help Industry Won't Change the World" (follow up)
• The Combahee River Collective (organization)
• Sasha Heron (public figure, death doula, and ancestral healing practitioner)
• "Love Poems" by Nikki Giovanni (book)

• Andréa Ranae's main Instagram: @AndreaRanaeJ
• Andréa Ranae's website: andrearanae.com
• Andréa Ranae's music Instagram: @DRElikeSade

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“There's no such thing as personal change outside of a social context. You actually can't separate a person from our social context. And that is just like, well, duh, how did they ever think we could do that?”

Check out the episode page for the transcript and the full list of the resources mentioned in this episode: https://widerroots.com/8

In this conversation with Staci Haines, we dive into the intersection of personal transformation and structural social change. I appreciate Staci's commitment to holding these two aspects as inseparable - that true healing and justice require both inner work and outer change. We explore some challenging questions: How can we navigate conversations around Palestine and Gaza with our clients in a way that is grounded in compassion and truth? How do we ensure that transformational modalities don't inadvertently reinforce passivity in the face of injustice, but rather empower us to create change? What are the key distinctions between coaching and therapy, and how can we discern our realm of competency as practitioners?

Staci Haines is a pioneer in the field of politicized somatics and trauma healing. For over three decades, Staci has been dedicated to bridging personal and social transformation, guided by the belief that we cannot have one without the other. As the co-founder of generative somatics and a senior teacher at the Strozzi Institute, she brings a depth of wisdom and experience to her work supporting individuals and movements in healing trauma and embodying transformative change.

• 02:43 - Opening
• 05:03 - Staci's roots: personal + systemic transformation
• 12:32 - The power of somatics in social change work
• 17:58 - How we're showing up for Palestine
• 27:54 - How do we move beyond individualism in healing and coaching
• 36:09 - Coaching to challenge the status quo, not to cope with It
• 39:43 - Imagining new credentialing orgs for politicized coaching/healing
• 59:25 - Staci's sources of joy
• 1:04:22 - Closing

• Generative somatics (organization co-founded by Staci Haines)
• Strozzi Institute (Staci Haines is a senior teacher here)
• The Politics of Trauma by Staci Haines (book)
• Just Transition Framework (zine by Movement Generation)
• Sharks in the Time of Saviors (book recommended by Staci Haines)

• Stacihaines.com (Staci Haines' professional website)
• Instagram @stacikhaines

• Episode 5 with Kazu Haga: Spiritually Grounded Activism

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