As the Emmy window closes, Jordan and Niv recall two historically-based dramas from this year on TV. They discuss 'Mary and George' on Starz, how homosexuality plays a role in the show (8:50) and overall how seriously the show takes its execution (19:01). They touch briefly on some spoilers for the final moments of the sensational program (22:17) before moving on to 'Shogun' on Hulu (35:56). Niv maps out the real-life locations in Japan (44:16) that 'Shogun' spends its time around before detailing the period the show takes place in (46:33). They discuss together the show's acting talent and characters (53:12), and get into spoilers for the show (1:06:04).

For its second year, Zeitgeist checks in on the state of the animation industry. In the first half, Jordan and Niv talk about 'Blue Eyed Samurai'. They Tackle race and identity (06:30), break down the talents behind the series (11:29), animation style (17:48), and tone (26:40). Then, they touch base on 'Scavengers Reign' on Max (now also Netflix). They investigate the state of the industry (46:56), the show's animation style (51:31), themes & influences (55:24), and how ensemble plays a role (01:05:24).

[Editorial Note: You’ll hear some pops and clicks near the front of the episode today from an unresolved recording issue.] Niv and Jordan discuss the 2024 Oscars in relation to a snub, Sofia Coppola’s ‘Priscilla.’ Then, they’re joined by Sam (9:00), who lays the foundation for the work at hand through providing context in our world today. They discuss how Priscilla inspired Lana Del Rey (11:45), Priscilla’s infantilization in relationship to domestic isolation and independence (16:13), and how Coppola wrangles with these topics (24:00). From there, they litigate Elvis’ star power in film (29:43), touch once again on Sofia’s sensibilities (39:09) before ending on why Sofia is one-of-a-kind (42:18). In the second half, Jordan and Niv talk about the two films in relation to one another, the Oscars, and a supposed "Zeitgeist Curse (45:07)," before setting the scene for 'May December (47:43).' They debate which of the two main character is the true protagonist (55:32), they praise the cast (1:07:07), and they discuss whether 'May December is a comedy, and how that genre convention relates to the theatrical traditions of Bertolt Brecht (1:20:22).

Jordan and Niv discuss two forays into Asian-American led TV on Netflix, first in regard to the recently settled SAG/AFRA and WGA strikes. Then, they set the scene for the Emmy nominated 'Beef' (7:36), investigate whether the series could have been a film (11:48), and highlight a cast on the rise (13:12). They debate the class struggles inherent in 'Beef' (16:52), and examine the way the show uses Korean representation (21:20). Then finally, before transitioning to their conversation on 'One Piece', they inquire whether Netflix is willing to take a risk on more shows with such a specific tone (25:25).

In their spoiler-filled conversation about 'One Piece', Niv dissects the balance of creative control (32:40) before Jordan shares his overall thoughts on the series (37:30). They contrast the show with its origins (41:00), before evaluating whether its exactly what Netflix is looking for (58:08). Then, they return to comparing this live-action series to its source material (1:02:51) and anticipate what Season 2 might bring (1:23:25).

Niv and Jordan talk about the act of counterprogramming as it relates to Barbie and Oppenheimer (1:20) before they discuss how Barbie rose from the cloud of smoke Oppenheimer left behind (11:58), and the rocky path to get there. Jordan dissects the acting in Barbie (21:45), and Niv designates the different ways to develop a household item into a fully realized film (28:31). They talk about the negatives and positives (42:45) before ultimately determining where they stand on Greta Gerwig’s ‘Barbie’ (54:30).

After the break, they discuss ‘Oppenheimer’ in depth (01:06:27). They talk about the leading performance that the movie revolves around (01:11:11), how the actors fit into the tone its director, Christopher Nolan, achieves in the film (01:22:01). They critique how Nolan has historically treated women in his films (01:25:01), and how ‘Oppenheimer’ fares. They deliberate about the unusual structure and the way he approaches character (01:27:54), before weighing both films possibilities in the upcoming Oscar race (1:48:11).

Jordan and Niv discuss the two buzziest Emmy contenders: Succession and Ted Lasso. First, they dissect the full series of Succession beginning with the characters, moving towards their status and situation and ending with the implications the series finale leaves us with, and what the takeaways are for such a complicated piece of media. Then, they discuss Ted Lasso in the broader context of the Emmy’s, compare Lasso and Succession, and note the ways in which Ted Lasso changes by its third season- and what’s next for the show.

Jordan and Niv discuss two streaming limited series that'll leave you with a story and a tune to hum. First, they discuss 'Up Here' on Hulu, a little-known musical series about two lost souls who find themselves in New York City. They discuss how the city plays a character in the show, how musical TV may differ from musicals onstage, and whether 'Up Here' is worth your time. In the second part (36:48), Jordan is joined by guest speaker Kieran to dilienate the strengths and weaknesses of the source material for Amazon series, 'Daisy Jones and the Six.' In the third part (50:01), Jordan and Niv have a conversation about the streaming limited series, how it works to break the mold, how it carries brand new tunes, and how it ultiumately services its characters.

In the first section, Jordan and Niv over-analyze 'The Super Mario Bros. Movie.' They discuss the cast, the potential of a property of this scale and the ways in which the film meets and misses that potential. Then, in the second section they analyse 'The Last of Us.' They discuss the difference between the video game and the HBO series, the differences and similarties, how video game mechanics enhance the drama in the show, and how it connects to other iconic apocolypic and zombie entertainment.