The shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, is the latest in a horrifying spree of gun violence in the United States. It occurred just 11 days after the devastating massacre in Buffalo, New York, which has left survivors traumatized and countless others grieving as we search for answers.

It's impossible to fathom the incalculable pain of those who lost loved ones in these tragedies, but the fact that the Buffalo shooting has been linked to the racist "great replacement" conspiracy theory that's become increasingly mainstream in a number of Western countries is causing ripples of fear among many communities. Kathleen Belew, an expert on the white-power movement, gave further context by explaining how it manages to “connect things such as abortion, immigration, gay rights, feminism, residential integration—all of these are seen as part of a series of threats to the white birth rate.”



To help further understand how people can become radicalized and what we can do to combat this sort of domestic terrorism, I asked award-winning journalist Max Kutner, who created the Audible Original , to help provide context. His seven-part docuseries explores a recent case of a young American man named Devon Arthurs who went from one extremist movement to another. As Kutner explains, it suggests that “some people are susceptible to radicalization regardless of ideology.”



“The Buffalo suspect probably wasn't an expert on the ideologies he espoused,” Kutner says. “Like Arthurs, he probably wanted to add meaning to his life and be part of a community, and pursued those goals in violent, tragic ways. One takeaway could be that society should try to steer people toward healthy pathways to meaning and community. Keeping those people away from weapons and extremist content online could also help.”



Audible: In Radicalized, you lay out how Devon Arthurs went from neo-Nazism to Islamic extremism and how easily people, especially young men, find pathways to “extremism” through online communities. After the Buffalo shooting, were you surprised to hear that there was yet another person who decided to arm himself as a vigilante and try to “fix” what he saw as a threat?



Max Kutner: Having spent years following the Devon Arthurs case, little about the Buffalo shooting surprised me. Violent extremists believe there is a problem in the world and that they must solve it through violence. And the internet has made it easier for people to learn about that mindset. The Buffalo suspect reportedly spent time on the same website Arthurs frequented. Also like Arthurs, the Buffalo suspect then had access to a weapon.



When President Biden visited Buffalo after the shooting, he stated: “White supremacy is a poison.” Yet it’s not so unusual that people are sharing manifestos and reinforcing racist theories in the mainstream now. What once seemed fringe and relegated to the “dark web” is now often discussed much more freely and not being stopped. Do you think it is social media and other tech platforms’ responsibility to restrict and monitor and try to curb this sort of behavior?



Without social media, extremists I interviewed probably would never have radicalized. An idea I discussed with experts was for social media platforms to include disclaimers in the results for searches about extremism. Many platforms already have such disclaimers for topics like COVID.



We are sharing a list of pertinent audiobooks with the intention to educate people on a complex topic. But there is always the concern that it is also platforming and giving attention and somehow normalizing white supremacy and extremism in the process. What do you think we can or should do to share information without seemingly promulgating an insidious strain of thinking?



While working on my podcast, I asked experts about whether discussing extremist ideologies might unwittingly spread those beliefs. But the experts said ideologies are spreading anyway and so it's helpful for journalists to responsibly report on them. There are ways to minimize the risk of spreading ideologies and movements. One way is to put extremist content like memes or screeds into context, without sharing the original content. Another way is to share stories about victims and survivors, not just extremists and perpetrators.


The Audible Editors have curated a list of titles that may help listeners better understand the origins of these racist conspiracy theories and cope with the recent act of terror.

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Bring the War Home
Radicalized
White American Youth
The Violence Project
Sisters in Hate
The Injustice Never Leaves You
Proud Boys and the White Ethnostate
From the War on Poverty to the War on Crime
Republic of Lies
Unholy
Everything You Love Will Burn
White Too Long
Breaking Hate
Antisocial
Culture Warlords