FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 15th of June 2024, at Toets des Tijds, VEEM, Amsterdam.

In each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:42) Fie [°1972 - Amsterdam, NL] tells about talking to the board of a cultural fund, who asked her: “where do you actually make your living from?” And not being able to speak her mind in that moment. And a rhetoric question: “would this question be asked to a man?”

(05:07) Hans [°1971 - Amsterdam, NL] describes how he was kicked out of a choir, at the moment he had prepared drinks and snacks for the group.

(09:51) Izak [°1996 - Amsterdam, NL] on proving your own masculinity: “What it is, I cannot tell you.” And 40 micro-agressions in one day, today. “Today was a good day.”

(15:40) Conny [°1952 - Rotterdam, NL] on being the outlier at school, the consequences for your sense of self and an epiphany of self-respect.

(18:37) Karmit [°1996 - Treuchtlingen, DE] is a female composer. “Voicing your opinion as a woman has consequences, so I don’t dare to share examples here, so you actually feel powerless.” “I would love there to come a point that there is no need anymore for us to share the examples. Because the fact that we need to share it, is horrible.”

(20:27) Luke [°1990 - London, UK] on people pleasing. “I spent a lot of my life making sure everyone is OK about me. That makes it really hard for me to confess to people when I’m not feeling OK.”

Karmit: feeling like you ruin everything when you speak your mind.

(23:24) What do you deserve? To be me, with all the good and the bad. Love. Being sinterklaas. To get it wrong sometimes. A role model, not to feel alone.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

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