FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 15th of June 2024, at Toets des Tijds, VEEM, Amsterdam.

In each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:42) Fie [°1972 - Amsterdam, NL] tells about talking to the board of a cultural fund, who asked her: “where do you actually make your living from?” And not being able to speak her mind in that moment. And a rhetoric question: “would this question be asked to a man?”

(05:07) Hans [°1971 - Amsterdam, NL] describes how he was kicked out of a choir, at the moment he had prepared drinks and snacks for the group.

(09:51) Izak [°1996 - Amsterdam, NL] on proving your own masculinity: “What it is, I cannot tell you.” And 40 micro-agressions in one day, today. “Today was a good day.”

(15:40) Conny [°1952 - Rotterdam, NL] on being the outlier at school, the consequences for your sense of self and an epiphany of self-respect.

(18:37) Karmit [°1996 - Treuchtlingen, DE] is a female composer. “Voicing your opinion as a woman has consequences, so I don’t dare to share examples here, so you actually feel powerless.” “I would love there to come a point that there is no need anymore for us to share the examples. Because the fact that we need to share it, is horrible.”

(20:27) Luke [°1990 - London, UK] on people pleasing. “I spent a lot of my life making sure everyone is OK about me. That makes it really hard for me to confess to people when I’m not feeling OK.”

Karmit: feeling like you ruin everything when you speak your mind.

(23:24) What do you deserve? To be me, with all the good and the bad. Love. Being sinterklaas. To get it wrong sometimes. A role model, not to feel alone.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 18th of May 2024, 20u, at O. festival in Rotterdam.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:35) Madelief [°2007 - Shanghai, CN] on a colleague, sinking down to his knees to get to eye level. And real guy friends, who prefer to chat with other guys than to sit with Madelief.

(05:02) Salomé [°1977 - Amstelveen, NL] is short and blond. A busdriver spelled out "this bus is going to the u-ni-ver-si-ty" to her. On surprising and countering people. "There is more to her than you see".

(08:05) Lindertje [°1986 - Hoorn, NL] on men, coming to her after her performances, commenting: your body is amazing. "All the other things were less impressive than my body." Not the artwork. On people who don't believe she creates her own performances. Andrea asks -for a friend- how to bring it across, that you are making your own work.

(14:00) Ellen [°1982 - Voorburg, NL] is a medical anthropologist. She writes when she wants to be heard. On a history of being tested and having to prove yourself. On being seen as the vessel of your baby, by a gynecologist, not having a say in how to give birth. "I looked at the literature and wrote a 5-page letter with all studies attached." After which she got granted decision-making power. "I wish I would have been able to just focus on being pregnant."

(20:12) Andy [°1986 - California, USA] "Andy is an ambiguous name: ‘Oh, I thought you were going to be a man.’ I would like to people not be disappointed by seeing me show up." And receiving unwanted advise from a male professor on interviewing subjects for research: "wear make up, be pleasant, accommodating and genuinely interested in the other person."

(24:40) What do you deserve? You may want everything you want. Respect: no one should forget Respect. To know that you matter, regardless of people's gendered expectations.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Find us on instagram.com/resonate.productions | facebook.com/musicaljournalism | resonate-productions.com

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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 18th of May 2024, 15u, at O. festival in Rotterdam.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:45) Ali [°2001 - Istanbul, TR] on the feeling of being tricked, earlier that day. Why do you have to do that?

(07:55) Barbara [°1980 - Breukelen, NL] on where it started: not being taken seriously. Never, by her parents, in anything. "I get your sister, she is like me. But you, I don't get."

(11:36) Stef [°1995 - Almere, NL] on how zero responsibility lies on his shoulders. And how that is not necessarily a good thing. On the military, on not having family, or the possibility to have kids, and friendships in which your friends are more important to you than you to them. "It's weird because noone is doing anything bad to me. But it feels like I don't matter."

And the most desired responsibility: a free school for the arts. "I was supposed to die a few times, went to art school, and that's the best thing I ever did, in this world."

(17:37) Karin Charlotte [° - Sachsen, East-DE] speaks from her lifetime in the former DDR. On the valuing of life, nature and children vs. destructive powers towards those entities. "How can you allow yourself to be pregnant?" of a third child. How does valuing show? "When I can stand up."

(22:09) Chris [°1985 - Lelystad, NL] asks Marleen what he can practically do, feeling powerless as a white heterosexual male.

(24:30) Marleen had a partner who told her not to study literature, because "it was a stupid choice, it won't bring you money." Even graduating cum laude does not mean anything in that field.

"It's better now, but it's not. But something is happening. Look at you, asking me what to do."

(28:57) Tina [°1954 - Indonesia] speaks in the language of her mother, Dutch. Her mother is still alive in her, and gave her life to her family. "Mom, you did so well!" Giving me all freedom, without any pressure to e.g. create grandchildren. "Go do your thing!"

(29:11) Maaike brought her kid to school and was stopped by one teacher to enter the schoolyard to say goodbye to her child. "I was actually angry, but you have to be polite, you can't be the over-concerned hysterical mother. And a dad can just walk in with his child. I felt paternalised, like I was an obnoxious idiot." And how to deliver your message as a woman.

(36:48) What do you deserve? What all people deserve: to be free and be seen without being judged on superficial things - The sadness: that this is the hardest question.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Find us on instagram.com/resonate.productions | facebook.com/musicaljournalism | resonate-productions.com

info@resonate-productions.com

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