In Part 2, Ted Kroeten goes deeper into the mechanics of free play, why traditional training misreads how kids actually learn, and how small-sided chaos builds problem-solvers, communicators, and creators. From one-v-one misconceptions to futsal culture, mixed-age environments, and why American kids rarely get “underload” time, Ted explains what the U.S. must rethink to compete globally.

He also breaks down what parents can actually do to bring joy and development back into their child’s soccer life — even without a Joy of the People program nearby.

This conversation is a blueprint for the next 10–15 years of American soccer… if we’re willing to go “down the mountain” before climbing higher.

Key Talking Points

• Why 1v1 isn’t the holy grail — and why 2v2 teaches the real language of soccer

• What small-sided games unlock: communication, deception, decision-making

• The concept of overload vs underload and how it shapes development

• Why futsal, SALs, barefoot play, and alternate balls accelerate creativity

• The danger of top-down coaching and why talk-heavy models block learning

• How kids self-regulate, self-officiate, and learn conflict resolution in real play

• Why U.S. kids lack free play opportunities — especially girls

• The global shift toward small-sided formats and why the U.S. is behind

• How parents can build play cultures at home, in neighborhoods, and in friend groups

• Ted’s vision for the U.S. over the next 10–15 years — and why a “Play Revolution” is coming

Quotes from Ted Kroeten

• “Kids don’t want to learn soccer — they want to be with their friends. The learning is a byproduct.”

• “One-v-one doesn’t really exist. Two-v-two teaches the real communication of the game.”

• “If a kid knows how they learned it, it can be hacked. If they learned it unconsciously, it can’t.”

• “Small-sided, uncoached play is where the language of the game is spoken.”

• “Friends must come before skills. Trust must come before competition.”

• “We don’t need more performance — we need more joy.”

Episode Chapters

00:00 — Why 1v1 Is Misunderstood in Player Development

03:45 — 2v2 and 3v3: Where the Language of Soccer Lives

07:30 — Small-Sided Chaos and Real Decision-Making

11:15 — Overload vs Underload: Reading Kids, Not Results

15:30 — Why Futsal Changes How Players Think

19:30 — Mixed-Age Play and Learning From Older Kids

23:30 — When Performance Kills Joy and Creativity

27:45 — Kids Who Love Winning vs Kids Who Love Playing

31:45 — Parents, Pressure, and the Loss of Free Play

36:00 — Why U.S. Soccer Develops Too Early, Too Fast

40:30 — Self-Regulation, Conflict, and Social Learning in Play

44:30 — Building Play Environments Without a Club

48:45 — What Coaches Talk Too Much About

52:45 — Peak Height Velocity and Developmental Timing

57:00 — Why Free-Play Kids Struggle Early but Thrive Later

1:01:15 — Failing First to Build Better Players

1:05:30 — The Next 10–15 Years of American Soccer

1:09:30 — A Call to Trust Kids and Protect Play

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Joy of the People founder and longtime coach Ted Kroeten joins Chat By The Pitch to break down what truly develops creative, intelligent players — and why most of the U.S. youth soccer system gets it upside down. Ted’s “soccer as a language” philosophy reframes how kids learn, why free play must come before instruction, and how mixed-age, low-pressure environments cultivate game intelligence no coach can teach.

From the failures of super clubs and the youth sports industrial complex to Joy of the People’s bold commitment to no tryouts, no cuts, and no overcoaching, Ted delivers one of the clearest visions of what American development could be if we trusted kids to play again.

If you care about player development, coaching, or burnout in youth sports — this episode will challenge everything you think you know.

Key Talking Points

• Ted’s journey from late-start player to coaching leader and founder of Joy of the People

• Why he walked away from the elite club model and the youth sports industrial complex

• “Soccer as a language” — acquisition vs learning, Chomsky, Krashen, and immersion

• What kids learn in free play that coaches cannot teach

• Why Joy of the People operates with no tryouts, no cuts, no pressure

• How mixed-age play, different surfaces, and alternate balls accelerate creativity

• Overload vs underload: reading effort, joy, and false intensity in players

• Why early free-play kids lag at first—but surpass others by U16–U19

• The danger of over-rewarding performance and creating kids who only love winning

• Building a true community model where every kid matters and development lasts

Quotes from Ted Kroeten

• "When I saw kids in play learning things I could not teach them, I knew there was something in play."

• "Unstructured play, street play, free play has developed the top players in the world."

• "We’ve been teaching soccer only with rules and techniques, not allowing acquisition to occur."

• "The best way to learn a complex language is not a teacher — it's immersion."

• "Kids who fall in love with explicit training programs are in danger of burning out."

• "We don’t have tryouts. We have a mix of everyone — and they bloom on their own timeline."

Episode Chapters

00:00 — Ted Kroeten’s Late Start and Multi-Sport Roots

03:10 — Coaching at the Highest Levels and Seeing the Cracks

06:00 — Walking Away from the Youth Soccer Industrial Complex

08:30 — Founding Joy of the People and the Decision to Prioritize Play

11:45 — Watching Kids Learn What Coaches Can’t Teach

14:30 — Poverty of the Stimulus and Why Play Accelerates Learning

18:00 — Soccer as a Language: Acquisition vs Instruction

22:45 — Chomsky, Krashen, and Immersion on the Field

27:30 — The Panenka Penalty and Non-Verbal Soccer Communication

31:30 — Why Cone Work Fails Under Real Pressure

35:00 — What Parents Miss When They Watch Training

38:30 — Early Attempts at Free Play — and Why They Failed

42:45 — Building a Community Hub with the City of St. Paul

46:30 — Kids “Not Knowing How to Play” and What That Revealed

50:45 — Removing Tryouts, Cuts, and External Pressure

55:30 — What Joy of the People Looks Like Day to Day

59:30 — Losing Games Early to Win Long Term

1:03:30 — Why Joy and Belonging Come Before Results

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In Part 2, Kassandra Ruelas takes us deeper into her journey — from rediscovering her love for the game under Coach Temas, to the fate-driven path that led her to Vial/Villarreal, to leaving home for Spain as a teenager. She shares what life, training, and tempo looked like overseas, how Spanish clubs develop players through structure and intelligence, and what it felt like to finally find her rhythm abroad.

This episode also uncovers the hardest chapter of her career: tearing her ACL overseas, navigating the injury alone during a national blackout, and learning her younger sister tore her ACL the same week. Kassandra opens up about her recovery, her mindset, and what she hopes players and parents take away from her story.

Key Talking Points

• Finding joy again at Sting and the season that rebuilt her confidence.

• Earning the first-ever North Texas Player Training Week invite in Spain.

• How fate connected her to Vial after a controversial point error.

• The Spanish development model: daily structure, zones, rondos, and tempo.

• What life looked like: gym, training, Spanish class, film, late-night sessions.

• Being “the foreigner” and the pressure of integrating into a new culture.

• Highest levels she reached in Spain and how licensing works for minors.

• The game where her ACL tore on a routine change of direction.

• No trainer onsite, calling Christian at 4 a.m. Texas time for support.

• The national blackout that blocked access to her MRI results.

• Learning her sister tore her ACL days later.

• Returning home for surgery and beginning the long recovery.

• Rebuilding mentally while rediscovering who she is beyond soccer.

• Leaving the door open for Spain but embracing uncertainty.

• Message to parents: support but let players own conversations.

• Message to players: attitude and curiosity separate you.

Quotes from Kassandra

• “Coach Temas brought the love back for the game.”

• “Being the first North Texas player selected — I knew I had to go back.”

• “I was jumping the entire night when they announced I was going to Spain.”

• “In Spain, the ball does the work. The tempo is smarter, not just faster.”

• “I spoke Spanish, but I was still the foreigner. That pressure stays with you.”

• “I knew the moment it happened — something was wrong with my knee.”

• “I was alone in the locker room with no trainer. I just wanted my mom.”

• “The blackout hit the day my MRI came in. I couldn’t talk to anyone.”

• “Two days later, my sister tore her ACL too. It didn’t feel real.”

• “Right now I’m learning who I am outside of soccer.”

• “Curiosity and attitude — those two things take you farther than talent.”

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