FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 17th of May 2024 at the Professionals Programme of O. festival in Rotterdam.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:47) Lorenzo [°1999 - Chieti, IT] on humiliation, and the need to step back into your mother’s womb. What makes you want to make me feel small? Gently: maybe someone did that to you.

(05:57) Asia Ahmetjanova [°1992 - Riga, Latvia] on the sadness of putting artificial clothing around what you have to say. The leak of energy: feeding the monster instead of being able to focus on what matters to you. And the upside to this: the value of politeness.

(11:06) For [Lise], it’s time for water. To savour the moment, with so many awful things happening around us. A big thank you. And the one thank-you of her child, that stands forever.

(12:59) [Sarah] on the possibility of children thanking their parents, in different stages of life.

Turning to her mother when she had small children: “Thank you and I have no idea how you did it.”

(16:39) [Mary - probably the oldest person in the room, Scotland] thanks the men in the room for listening to all of this. On older women being very, very unkind to her and the ‘special place in hell’ of Madeleine Albright, and trying to work up the kind of kindness that Lorenzo talked about.

(17:49) Krystian [°1983 - Warsaw, PL] on the feeling of one body being the oppressor and the oppressed at the same time. On representing queerness in the opera-houses, and how senior women respond to that shift in masculinity.

(23:25) What do you deserve? More free time for ourselves (since women are really trying to save the world- and just respect each other. “There’s a hierarchy of minorities now and maybe, there’s a political plan behind it. Let’s just not get divided.”

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

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