Guest Info:

- Doug is Deputy Chief Scientist of The Acquisition Innovation Research Center. Early in his career, he created the very first aerogel used by NASA. Doug is a member of SCU.

Topics:

- What tech systems do we need to do a better job sorting mundane UAP from genuinely anomalous ones?

- Doug walks us through the steps and tools used to definitively identify a UAP as a party balloon.

- He talks about his project of purchasing and studying anomalies at a piece of land near Skinwalker Ranch.

- We argue over whether studying UAP is like studying dark matter, and whether dark matter is even “real”. (pt 2)

Links:

- Doug Buettner’s publications on ResearchGate.

Christopher Mellon is without a doubt one of the most important figures in the modern history of this subject. As Deputy Assistant Director of National Security for Security and Information Operations, he had access to America's most sensitive secrets and intelligence, and from that vantage point he determined that the UAP subject wasn't being given the serious attention that it deserved as a national security issue. After long efforts to raise the issue within the government, he brought unclassified military footage of UAP to the New York Times, which published it on the front page in 2017, reigniting serious public interest in a subject that had received little attention for decades. We take the opportunity to ask Chris to help us understand the government's complicated and often fraught relation to the UAP subject.

Topics:

• Is there a disclosure scenario that doesn't inevitably lead to a global disinformation war between enemy nations?
• Do government have perverse incentives to portray UAP as enemy threats (say, in order to encourage social unity)?
• How can we know when to trust governments's statements about a subject that's so historically and politically fraught?
• What is the future of the UAP subject in the US and globally?
• In what ways is the UAP subject more than a national security issue?

Links:

• ⁠Follow Chris on X⁠
• ⁠Chris's SOL Foundation Talk "The Potential Consequences of UAP Disclosure"⁠
• ⁠Chris's Politico article, "If the Government Has UFO Crash Materials, It's Time to Reveal Them"⁠

Guest Info:

• Garry is a professor at Stanford Medical School, where he’s an immunologist and cancer researcher. He has published over 300 research articles, holds over 50 US patents, and has founded multiple publicly-traded companies listed on the NASDAQ. He’s also co-founder, with David Grusch and Peter Skafish, of the SOL Foundation, a policy think-tank, advisory board, and fund for serious research into UAP.

Topics:

• What is the SOL Foundation's role in the future of UAP research?
• How do you think through the landscape of theories about what UAP are?
• Is reverse engineering even possible if the tech is vastly more advanced than ours? Leonardo da Vinci couldn’t reverse engineer a smartphone, after all.
• Is a materialist, scientific worldview getting in the way of studying anomalous phenomena?

Links:

• ⁠Garry Nolan's faculty page at Stanford Medical School⁠
• ⁠Follow Garry on X⁠