Join us for episode 20, where we take a dive into our new toy - the cold plunge!

Lee has been wanting a cold plunge for years. I, Carrie, on the other hand, haven't. 😉 Regardless, I took my first plunge this morning and we'll see where it takes us.

We briefly chat about some of the benefits of cold water submersion and Lee goes down a rabbit hole as he explains how where his thoughts go just before he's about to step in.

We hope you'll join us as we have a little fun in episode 20!

Join us for episode 19, where we talk about what jealousy is and the best way to overcome it (hint: it's not easy).

We share personal stories of how jealousy has affected our lives in the aftermath of betrayal.

Join us for Episode 18, where we sit down with Lee's brother, Andrew, and his wife Holly.

Andrew, Holly, and their kiddos came to stay with us recently and we coerced them to sit down and record a podcast with us. We had to twist their arms - but only slightly. ;)

In episode 18, we chat about everything from horses/barrel racing to whether or not the Virgin Mary actually rode a donkey into Bethlehem (the answer may surprise you).

Hope you enjoy a little light-hearted and easy to listen to fun.

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In episode 17, we continue chatting about the steps we took after betrayal. In part one, we spoke of how our faith initially helped us forgive, but time proved that forgiveness wasn't enough. It was enough to initially save our marriage from ending, but it wasn't enough to keep our marriage from ending.

In Part Two, we dive into some of the rules we set in place to keep us "safe", but once again, we eventually realized that even the rules wouldn't build genuine TRUST. We also talk about implementing alone time (date nights and weekend getaways), without kids or other worldly distractions.

The truth is, we've continued to evolve and change our strategies. What we've discovered is that it's a journey and our needs are ever-changing. Our goal isn't to have a marriage that just survived betrayal. Our goal is to have a THRIVING marriage, where we are connected emotionally and spiritually - where we become ONE, as it's meant to be.

Join us for episode 17, "Life After Betrayal" (Part 2). ♥️

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Many of you have asked us to talk about how we've built a thriving marriage after betrayal. Because this topic is so deep, episode 16 only covers the steps we took in the immediate aftermath.

The truth is, we've evolved and our journey has required us to try MULTIPLE things. Every trust-building step we've taken has been critical, but over the past 12 years, we've outgrown many of the steps (or rules) we initially implemented. When something is no longer working or no longer "good enough", it's critical to look deeper.

Tune in to hear us chat about what worked for us in the early days following betrayal.

We strayed from our norm in episode 15 and didn't talk about anything serious. I can't believe we were successful! Well, let me (Carrie) clarify. We talked about my massive fear of cockroaches and fishing hooks, so yeah, I suppose those are serious topics. 😉

In episode 15, we also recap some of our funny stories from our recent trip to Montana and Yellowstone. Somehow, that conversation lead into roasting me for some of the dumbest things I've said and done over the years. We might as well call this episode, "Picking on Carrie". 😉

Join us as we shoot the shit together and have a little lighthearted fun in this episode. 😘

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In episode 14 of The Hard Way Out, we sit down and chat for TWO amazing hours with traumatic breathwork healer, Katie Hopson.

I, Carrie, have been working with Katie to uncover and unpack some of my deep-rooted fears that keep me stuck in a few areas of my life. When I say breathwork is life-changing, I mean it's LIFE CHANGING.

Somatic breathwork isn't the same type of breathwork you do when you're meditating, doing yoga, or anything of the like. This is intentional and my personal belief is that it is the deepest form of meditation and prayer we can reach on this side of eternity. I've personally have unpacked and deconstruct many deep rooted subconscious fears and beliefs and my nervous system thanks me every day for it.

If you feel stuck in any area of life, this podcast is must listen!

You can find Katie on Instagram at @soulshinebreathwork. ♥️

Don't worry, Amy G isn't another woman. I mean, she might be, but that's not what we're talking about on this episode. ;)

Amy G. Dala is a helpful mnemonic to remember the part of the brain called the amygdala. You may or may not have heard of the amygdala, but if you haven't, it's time to listen to this podcast and do a little studying because trust me - she's in control of your brain - A LOT.

Those times when your partner says something that makes you internally "flip out"? That's your amygdala coming online. Those times when you're in "fight or flight"? Amygdala. Those times when you're so mad that you can't think straight? Amygdala. Those times you say things you eventually regret? Amygdala.

You see, the amygdala is was much more useful for our ancestors. It served them well when they were being chased by wild animals. The problem is that our modern day brains can't tell the difference between a lion chasing us and our partner cheating on us. All it knows is "FEAR" and it reacts.

When your amygdala is online, she's running the show. You can't think from the logical part of your brain and healthy communication can't occur until you've recentered.

Tune into episode 13 and learn more about how Amy G affects relationships - and tips on how to navigate the journey after her presence is obvious.