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  • The Truth About SEO Rankings in the AI Age with Mike Roberts, CEO of RivalFlow | Ep. 396

    The Truth About SEO Rankings in the AI Age with Mike Roberts, CEO of RivalFlow | Ep. 396
    Feb 27 2026
    SEO isn’t dead…but if you’re not adapting to how AI surfaces answers, you’re already behind. Daniel sits down with Mike Roberts, Founder of SpyFu and CEO of RivalFlow AI, to discuss what’s actually happening in search right now, from zero-click results and AI overviews to the new rules of ranking in a world powered by LLMs. Mike explains how traditional SEO principles still apply, but need to be sharpened. Four page rankings? They still matter. They dive into how AI re-ranks results, why answering more competitor questions wins, how to close content gaps that are costing you traffic, and why most Marketers misuse data by creating stories after the fact instead of forming hypotheses first. If you’re a marketer trying to understand how to show up in AI search (without chasing hacks that will disappear in six months) this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Mike: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrspy/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com
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  • What Actually Makes a Good Email with Naomi West, Senior Product Marketing Manager at Customer.io | Ep. 395

    What Actually Makes a Good Email with Naomi West, Senior Product Marketing Manager at Customer.io | Ep. 395
    Feb 25 2026
    Email isn’t dead. But most Marketers are measuring it the wrong way. Daniel sits down with Naomi West, Senior Product Marketing Manager at Customer.io, to break down what actually makes a “good” email and why beautiful design, open rates, and fancy templates aren’t the metrics you should be obsessing over. From why web design trends fall apart inside the inbox, to why text-based emails often outperform heavily designed ones, Naomi unpacks the myths that are holding email marketers back. They also dive into lifecycle strategy, event-triggered emails, working with engineers, testing frameworks that actually produce statistically significant results, and why communication skills might matter more than any tool you use. If you’re an email marketer who wants to move beyond templates and start driving real engage ment and conversions, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Naomi: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomiwest1000/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com
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    45 m
  • How to Scale TV That Actually Performs, with Meghan Shea, Sr. Director of Marketing at Bonafide Health

    How to Scale TV That Actually Performs, with Meghan Shea, Sr. Director of Marketing at Bonafide Health
    Feb 24 2026
    TV is exploding again. But most brands still don’t know how to make it work without blowing their budget. In this new mini-series brought to you by Tatari, Daniel sits down with Meghan Shea, Head of Growth at Bonafide Health, and Romano Bottini from Tatari, to break down how modern brands are using TV as a performance multiplier, not just a brand play. From fixing fragmented measurement and delayed reporting, to proving TV’s impact on CAC, branded search, Amazon halo, and retail growth, Meghan shares how Bonafide turned TV from a “nice to have” into a repeatable growth engine. They dive into Q1 wellness pushes, why linear still matters for older demographics, how to think about creative testing, and why scared money doesn’t make money when you’re trying to scale. If you’re a mid-market brand stuck between performance and brand (and wondering whether TV is worth it) this is the episode for YOU. Tatari helps brands run TV like a modern performance channel. Unlike most platforms that focus only on programmatic CTV, Tatari gives marketers access to all of TV - linear, streaming, programmatic CTV, and direct publisher inventory - in one platform. By combining premium inventory with transparent reporting and outcome-based measurement, Tatari lets growth teams evaluate TV the same way they evaluate paid search or paid social. The result: more control, better reach, and TV spend that can actually be tied back to business results. Learn more at ⁠http://bit.ly/40kwEAQ Follow Meghan: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meghantshea/ Follow Romano: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rbottini/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com
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    43 m
  • Subject Line Tactics You Haven’t Tried Yet | Bathroom Break #96

    Subject Line Tactics You Haven’t Tried Yet | Bathroom Break #96
    Feb 23 2026
    Email performance still starts with one thing: the open. Jay and Daniel break down the subject line tests marketers aren’t running enough and why small, weird experiments often outperform “best practice” advice. They cover surprising tactics like all-caps subject lines, zero capitalization, recognizable emoji branding, and pattern interruption hooks that force a millisecond pause in the inbox. Jay shares high-performing psychology plays like the “accidental internal reveal” and reverse psychology subject lines that make readers open out of pure curiosity. And, Daniel explains why most marketers give away too much upfront…and how curiosity beats clarity when it comes to getting the click. If your emails are getting ignored, this episode is a playbook of subject line tests you can run immediately to boost opens, engagement, and results. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/
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  • The Human Advantage in an AI World with Emma Robinson, Head of B2B Marketing at Canva | Ep. 394

    The Human Advantage in an AI World with Emma Robinson, Head of B2B Marketing at Canva | Ep. 394
    Feb 20 2026
    AI can produce content faster than ever…but if your brand feels generic, you’re already losing. Daniel sits down with Emma Robinson, Head of B2B Marketing at Canva, to unpack why human judgment, creativity, and brand conviction matter more than ever in an AI-powered Marketing world. From why visual storytelling encodes 74% faster in the brain, to how Canva thinks about brand as the long-term demand engine, Emma shares how elite teams use AI as leverage, not as a replacement for taste. They dive into balancing emotion and logic in enterprise buying, protecting creative standards internally, using AI beyond productivity gains, and why loyalty and brand equity will separate the best marketers from the rest. If you’re a marketer navigating AI, performance pressure, and brand building all at once, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Emma: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-robinson-mtkg/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennialsDaniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com
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  • The Truth About Audience Building in Marketing with Marc Sirkin, Growth Consultant and Former CEO of Third Door Media| Ep. 393

    The Truth About Audience Building in Marketing with Marc Sirkin, Growth Consultant and Former CEO of Third Door Media| Ep. 393
    Feb 18 2026
    Growing an audience is easy. Turning that audience into a real business is the part most marketers completely miss. And if you don’t understand the difference, you’re already behind. In this episode, Daniel sits down with Marc Sirkin, former CEO of Third Door Media and longtime builder behind brands like MarTech.org and Search Engine Land, to unpack what it really takes to grow a media company….and why eyeballs don’t automatically equal revenue. From why viral reach doesn’t guarantee conversions, to the danger of chasing new revenue streams too early, Marc shares lessons from decades of building audiences across nonprofits, publishing, and modern B2B marketing. They also dive into why performance marketing has warped how we measure success, how brand is becoming the last true moat in an AI-driven world, and why consistency beats chasing the next shiny tactic. If you’re a marketer trying to build trust, create sustainable growth, and avoid optimizing for the wrong metrics, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Marc: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcsirkin/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com
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    52 m
  • The Practical Playbook for Starting TV in 2026, with Donna Lazaro from Gabb

    The Practical Playbook for Starting TV in 2026, with Donna Lazaro from Gabb
    Feb 17 2026
    TV isn’t just for billion-dollar brands anymore. And if you still think it is, you’re already behind. In this new mini-series brought to you by Tatari, Daniel sits down with Donna Lazaro (Senior Director of Brand Media at Gabb) and Anna O’Neill (Customer Success Team Lead, Platform at Tatari), to break down how modern brands are using linear and connected TV to drive real, measurable growth. From why Gabb added TV in 2023 to scale awareness and credibility, to treating TV like a performance channel instead of just a brand play, they unpack what TV actually looks like in 2026 and beyond. They dive into creative testing, halo impact across Meta and Google, measuring incrementality, scaling during moments like back-to-school and holiday, and why consistent brand presence wins long-term. If you’re a marketer wondering whether TV is still out of reach (or how to make it measurable and performance-driven) this is the episode for YOU. Tatari helps brands run TV like a modern performance channel. Unlike most platforms that focus only on programmatic CTV, Tatari gives marketers access to all of TV - linear, streaming, programmatic CTV, and direct publisher inventory - in one platform. By combining premium inventory with transparent reporting and outcome-based measurement, Tatari lets growth teams evaluate TV the same way they evaluate paid search or paid social. The result: more control, better reach, and TV spend that can actually be tied back to business results. Learn more at http://bit.ly/40kwEAQ Follow Donna: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donna-lazaro-1a1173192/ Follow Anna: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-oneil/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com
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    38 m
  • The Attribution Strategy Every Marketer Should Use | Bathroom Break #95

    The Attribution Strategy Every Marketer Should Use | Bathroom Break #95
    Feb 16 2026
    Attribution is one of the most talked-about topics in marketing…and also one of the most misleading. Jay and Daniel explain why most attribution models are basically garbage, especially last-touch attribution, and why marketers keep over-investing in channels like Google Search simply because they get the final click. Jay walks through one of the most underused measurement tactics in marketing: holdout groups, where you intentionally exclude part of your audience from campaigns to measure real lift. Daniel adds the simplest attribution hack of all: just asking customers where they heard about you. If you’re tired of dashboards that tell you what you want to hear instead of what’s real, this episode Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/
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    12 m