What if the people we call donors are actually investors? And what if this subtle shift reshapes expectations, power, professionalism, and even the identity of philanthropy itself? Julia C. Patrick and Tony Beall challenge one of the nonprofit sector’s most deeply rooted labels.

Julia opens the conversation by admitting she’s ready to change her own vocabulary, saying, “I’m going to really work hard to say investor, because I think you’re right—this is the way we need to go.” Her candor sets an energetic tone for a conversation that questions long-held nonprofit norms while encouraging fundraisers to rethink the relationship they build with contributors.

Tony expands on how much the terminology already shapes his practice. “It’s pretty much standard for me now to speak of donors as investors,” he explains, noting that while the marketplace may not fully be prepared for the switch, fundraisers can begin reframing relationships in ways that strengthen professionalism, transparency, and long-term engagement.

The conversation provocatively asks whether “donor” — rooted in the Latin donare, meaning to give — unintentionally implies release, relinquishment, or even detachment. Meanwhile, “investor,” drawn from investire, meaning to clothe or furnish power, places the contributor inside the organization’s journey, not on the sidelines.

From this vocabulary shift springs a lively exploration of expectations. A donor may hope the gift “does good,” while an investor wants measurable progress, long-term capacity building, and consistent communication tied to real results. That distinction pushes nonprofits toward better data, better systems, and better reporting.

Julia and Tony also discuss how this reframing could meaningfully influence recruitment and retention in the sector. Elevating the profession with language rooted in strategy and expectation — not charity alone — may attract more skilled talent while giving current fundraisers a clearer sense of the complex, meaningful work they perform.

They later explore generational dynamics. Older supporters may lean toward benevolence. Younger supporters are far more metrics-driven, tech-oriented, and impact-focused. For next-gen philanthropy, “investor” may simply feel more accurate.

The informative convo closes with a practical comparison using a $5,000 gift to a food bank. A donor experiences satisfaction and goodwill. An investor expects data: pounds of food purchased, households served, meals distributed. The contrast illuminates how terminology drives operational behavior.

By the end, the case for shifting language becomes both philosophical and functional. It’s a lens that prompts nonprofits to strengthen systems, build trust, and engage contributors more meaningfully — all while honoring the emotional roots of giving.

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Federal shutdown over! Systems rebooting! Nonprofits on the clock! In this urgent episode, we bring back Derick Dreher, Department Leader, Government Funding at Your Part-Time Controller (YPTC)—just hours after the government reopens from the longest shutdown in U.S. history.

Derick starts with what happened in Washington: failed Senate votes, a last-minute continuing resolution, and a deal that funds government operations into January while restoring budgets for agencies like USDA and programs such as SNAP. But this is not just a civics lesson; it’s a compliance wake-up call for every nonprofit with federal awards.

Even though agencies were closed and portals were offline, he reminds viewers that obligations never went away. As Derick puts it, “It’s a challenge, but you still have to do it.” Reports due during the shutdown are still due. If a federal portal was off, organizations should have emailed, mailed certified copies, and documented every step. That paper trail may be the difference between a simple explanation and a “you’re in breach” notice now that systems are back up.

Derick explains that rules are shifting at the same time pressure is rising. An August executive order on federal grantmaking is reshaping Uniform Guidance and, in some cases, contradicting existing regulations. Nonprofits cannot simply move programs from October to November or rework budgets on their own. Any change—timelines, program design, vendors—requires permission.

The human side of this story is just as urgent. Federal employees returning from 43 days of furlough are staring at thousands of unread messages, while agencies are already dealing with staffing shortages. Automated payments and notices may resume quickly, but nuanced approvals, extensions, and clarifications will take time. That means nonprofits must expect delays while still operating at peak year-end demand and navigating food insecurity, SNAP disruption, and stretched donors.

Derick calls on leaders to treat this as a mini audit moment: review every award, update budgets and reports, clarify what did and didn’t happen during the shutdown, and then proactively request extensions and changes. “Federal awards are complicated beasts that have a lot of details and a lot of moving parts, and there’s no reason to be afraid of accepting them,” he says—if leaders build strong internal controls for timesheets, receipts, and documentation.

Above all, think of this as a reframe of the relationship with government funders: not as begging with an outstretched hand, but as a handshake partnership where authenticity, preparation, and transparency show you are leading with excellence. Get organized now, communicate wisely, and you can turn this chaotic shutdown into a proving ground for your nonprofit’s strength and mission focus.

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Fundraising can feel like walking through mist—messages blur, instincts wobble, and urgency crowds out intention. In this energizing conversation, we welcome returning favorite Micah James (team lead and coach at Bloomerang—and a bride-to-be!) to name the haze and show practical ways through it. Micah calls today’s moment “muddy and foggy” because donors face nonstop alerts, shifting giving channels, and rising skepticism about how funds are used. Organizations feel it too: higher costs, greater need, and inboxes stuffed with appeals that all sound the same.

So what cuts through? First, stop centering money and recenter mission. As Micah says, “We don’t want to give to budgets…we want to give to people, to mission, and to impact.” Translate dollars into outcomes. “There’s nothing wrong with saying we’re raising $3,000 because it will feed 300 families”—pair the cost with the change. Then make it personal. Tell one vivid story (Stacy, Jim, or Larry), not vague totals. Shift language so the donor becomes the hero; use “you” as often as “we.” That mental switch alone sharpens your message and steadies your strategy.

Micah urges radical transparency to build trust. Be clear about what it takes to serve and honest when you’re not top-of-mind in the community. Share the real work and the real budget picture without panic language. Invite support in many forms—gifts, volunteer hours, or simple acts of advocacy—and keep communicating the difference each supporter makes.

A big unlock is specificity. Use your database tools to reference the donor’s last gift and show what it accomplished. Celebrate recurring givers and ask for modest step-ups (from $10 to $15, from $47 to $60). Those small upgrades flatten chaotic cash-flow lines and reduce the pressure that pushes teams into constant alarm. Micah reminds us that the often-forgotten “middle” donors—already engaged, steady in capacity—can become the backbone of predictable revenue when you know them well and speak to what they care about.

Bottom line: name the fog, then choose clarity. Tell one true story. Make the donor the protagonist. Map dollars to outcomes. Share the journey openly. When you do, the sun breaks through—and sustainable generosity follows.

00:00:00 Welcome and Micah’s joyful news
00:03:06 Defining the fundraising fog today
00:07:14 Why budget-gap appeals miss the mark
00:10:04 Pairing dollars with outcomes that matter
00:11:49 Personalization and showing specific impact
00:13:50 Radical transparency to build trust
00:17:44 One story and donor-as-hero language
00:20:29 Using data and merge fields smartly
00:24:07 Middle donors and recurring upgrades
00:26:26 Escaping crisis mode with steady revenue

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