Join Chrisha and Catherine for a chaotic episode where all of the things that can happen in the background at Catherine's apartment do while they try to talk all about the music in the finale of The Winchesters.

Topics range from just how exactly Dean did time- and universe-travel, to his kidnapping of the President of the United States, his introspection and shift from an active fighter to a guide, the City of Angels and the City of Love, and lots of Destiel musings.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Take a Stand" by Homer Greencastle; "Keep On Ramblin'" by Radio Company; "Baba O'Riley" by The Who; "LA Woman" by The Doors; "Americana" by Jay Gruska; "One of These Things First" by Nick Drake; "Watching Over Me" by Radio Company; "Ramble On" by Led Zeppelin; "That's No Way To Say Goodbye" by Leonard Cohen
Radio Company live concert credit: "Let Me Be" on Hannah Young's Youtube channel
Info about how the Ackles got "Ramble On": hermscat on Tumblr and Sharon87 on Twitter (Thanks, Tess, for the info and links! Wayward Friends, turns out Jensen went without salary for The Winchesters' finale so they could pay for the song--and a lot of work went on behind the scenes to get permission to use it!)

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CONTENT WARNING: There is a discussion of suicide and suidical ideation as it pertains to the characters of Akrida Kyle & Lata from The Winchesters and Dean from Supernatural. Please be aware and kind to yourselves, Wayward Friends. The portion that discusses this content is from 3:33 to 8:48 and has been marked as a chapter so you can easily skip it.

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start off the episode by going over some thoughts that have come to them since they started recording about the finale again in November 2023. They then focus in on the Akrida: Joan, their history, and their purpose, and discuss what makes a compelling villain and why the best villains always think they are on the side of good.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Running on Empty" by Jackson Browne
Jeremy Adams' tweet re: Why Cas wasn't in "Last Holiday"
Misha Collins audio clip credit: Supernatural: The Long Road Home

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start the discussion with Jack and his odd behavior at the end of Supernatural and during The Winchesters' finale before moving on to talk about Baby, The Winchesters' title card and its connection to the Akrida, and the logistics behind Cas' absence. The conclude by reflecting on what was left unresolved and what was healing for them personally.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
SPNNash 2021 audio clip credit: Gayle (thank you to @alishabless13 on Twitter for asking the question and helping us to find the audio!)
KSiteTV audio clip credit: GOTHAM KNIGHTS Misha Collins Interview
JIB 12 audio clip credit: Chuck Won on Tumblr (thank you to Veronica for letting us know about this clip!)

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