Rob Nanfelt, Executive Director of REBIC in Charlotte, NC, is our usual host for Getting Real With Rob. But today, he finds himself in the guest chair and interviewed by AnneMarie DeCatsye, CEO of Canopy REALTOR Association. In this episode he discusses all things UDO, (and becomes the victim of the Lightning Round questions himself!). His responses are comprehensive and detailed, giving us a valuable glimpse into the City of Charlotte’s master planning document.

Charlotte’s Unified Development Ordinance, referred to as the UDO, has been a point of celebration and angst since being implemented in June of 2023. As we revisit it one year later, questions and complaints about its content persist. However, our members should understand that REBIC has been working behind the scenes since long before the document was ever drafted. Key leaders in the development field worked during the review process to help insert reality into the paragraphs and sections of this complex document. One of the most fact-filled episodes we’ve ever recorded, Rob goes from A to Z explaining the phases of improvement we’re working to help refine. Many listeners may not know that REBIC has formally submitted over 30 change requests, using a form provided on the REBIC website. The party requesting a change can give give a complete and detailed picture of the issue, with context, and offer suggestions about what a change (or text amendment) should contain. Improvements to the document are made solely by the Planning Board, but our hope is that these amendments not only rectify faulty language, but help the UDO become more robust and real-time in the future.

By way of background, Rob Nanfelt, a long time Charlotte resident, joined REBIC as their Executive Director in the fall of 2109, bringing over 25 years of public policy experience to the position. The foundation for this knowledge was honed by his time as a political Chief of Staff on Capitol Hill and a decade long leadership position promoting advocacy for the Colorado Association of Home Builders.

If you work with Rob, you know he possesses a unique ability to quickly understand complex challenges and identify appropriate solutions and is known for easily guiding diverse parties with opposing goals toward common objectives. The statements, “Be overprepared. Stop complaining. Let’s discuss solutions, not problems.” are three of his favorite phrases. He deftly operates at the intersection between soundbite platitudes and real-life-on-the-ground execution believing that only when we examine true cause and effect can we expect to create a plan for meaningful change and achieve positive outcomes.

It wasn’t long into our interview before the conversation got really interesting: “I’ve lived in places that weren’t growing. You don’t want that. It’s sad, actually…” stated our guest Bart Landess, The Executive Director of the Catawba Lands Conservancy and The Carolina Thread Trail. You wouldn’t think our greatest supporter would be a conservationist, but growth and conservation can be complimentary. This all plays into his greatest hope, that we can preserve natural spaces that keep our region beautiful and our people healthy, and it also made plain that conservationists understand municipal growth as much or more than anyone. And that, when planned properly, with an eye for keeping open space accessible, growth can be a very positive thing. “Most folks who are into conservation are big fans of density, because if you have a denser development, it means you can leave green space, and still have the same number of units.”

As we chatted about the planning history of Charlotte, the ‘how we got here’ narrative that fits for most cities that grew quickly in the 20th century, we learned how we shifted from necessary small clusters of homes and businesses with everything close by and lots of parks, to car-centric housing developments that lack essential amenities like grocers and parks because it was assumed that homeowners would drive to get to them. It is a perspective REBIC is excited to share with you, and we were proud to have Bart in the booth. After you listen, we hope you’ll share this episode because Bart is a great asset to our community. And loves to help offer insight and guidance about the transformative powers of open space.

Bart Landess feels like this career is his calling. Originally from Virginia, he spent his childhood on his grandparents’ farms, working in construction, hiking, camping, trail running, even spelunking (really!). With an idyllic summer mixed in, where he worked in a state park renovating old trails. As Bart happily regales stories and shares facts, you feel smarter and happier about dirt in general. And you feel this urge to find shoes you can get dirty so you can walk a trail with him, instead of being stuck in a studio. But then because he’s so full of facts you don’t want to forget, you are glad the record button is ‘on.’ For instance, do you know what a Paw Paw fruit is? Had you considered that Charlotte’s native forests long, long ago were not pine, that pine was planted for the pulp industry? And did you know that Mountain Island Lake provides drinking water for 10% of North Carolina’s citizens? Yeah…where are my hiking shoes?

A little bit more about Bart, he arrived in Charlotte to attend Davidson College as a young man and began practicing law in Charlotte in 1986 with Smith Helms Mulliss and Moore. Going on to work at Davidson College from 1990-1999, then progressing on to the Foundation for the Carolinas for 10 years, he was also with the YMCA of Greater Charlotte from 2010-2019 before coming to Catawba Lands Conservancy and Carolina Thread Trail. When asked to summarize the mission he represents, he shares, “At CLC and CTT, we stress the enhancement to quality of life and health that comes from natural spaces and trails, and work now to assure that, as we double in size in the next 30 years, those values are preserved for future generations and our region remains a beautiful and wonderful place to live and work.”

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Let’s hit this topic head on: The crux of the no-growth argument contends that by stopping growth, current residents can keep things stable and unchanged. Although avoiding change is impossible and unhealthy, they ignore this decision’s devastating results proven out repeatedly across the country such as skyrocketing taxes, shrinking access to housing, the inability to attract the best talent to fill needed service positions, business failure, even a disconnect from funding at the state and federal level. Towns age out, infrastructure deteriorates, young people stay away, and regret sets in.

In this vein we were pleased to invite Chris Carney, Mayor of Mooresville, to our sound booth this month. He is both a leader, guide, and an equalizer. Contending with these passionate sentiments daily, he is slowly and surely helping his Town Commissioners and residents cooperate at the ground level promoting solid financial strategies. With deft charm, logic, and irrefutable facts he explains how crippling the no-growth outcome is to any area. How? Listen to this enjoyable episode and find out.