Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team.

This is part two of a real world facilitation of the Fair Play system. In our first episode, we learned about Brian and Lucy McAffee’s home dynamics. You likely found that, when it came to the division of labor and obstacles couples face, that some of their challenges are challenges you face in your family. We then discussed the guiding principles of the Fair Play system and started working through it.

This is part two of the two part series.

Today’s episode, from start to finish, is a real world facilitation of the Fair Play system.

Lucy McAfee is the host of The ManFlu podcast and founder of Boys Who Care. Her husband, Brian McAfee, is a professional sports gambler. They live in Lake Tahoe with their two sons. You can find more from Lucy and The ManFlu podcast on Instagram @lucypmcafee.

As a reminder from our first episode, we left off at the point where Lucy had selected five Fair Play cards, household tasks if you will, based on the following criteria:

• They were low stakes tasks, allowing Lucy to be more comfortable handing them off.
• They were tasks she did not enjoy.
• They were regular tasks, not one-offs like cleaning the gutters.

Brian is now beginning to select the three tasks he will own from Lucy’s selections.

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Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team.

Achieving a balance between work, family, and personal time can feel overwhelming, especially for dual-career couples.

For this two part series we are going to first learn about Brian and Lucy’s home dynamics, and you’ll likely find that, when it comes to the division of labor and obstacles couples face, that there are a lot of common challenges.

This is part one of the two part series.

We will then discuss the guiding principles of the Fair Play system. For the second part of the series, we will finish the implementation of the Fair Play system, so you can see for yourself how you can apply it in your relationship.

Lucy McAfee is the host of The ManFlu podcast, where she explores gender dynamics and emotional labor in modern partnerships, and what it looks like to raise boys to become thoughtful, connected men. After 16 years in healthcare strategy, she stepped away from corporate life to focus on this work and develop Boys Who Care, a program aimed at building social and emotional skills for boys.

Her husband, Brian McAfee, spent over a decade owning and operating a restaurant and is now in his next entrepreneurial chapter focused on sports betting.

They live in Lake Tahoe with their two sons, where they’re beginning the work of creating a more balanced partnership in real life. You can find more from Lucy and The ManFlu podcast on Instagram @lucypmcafee.

Enjoy the show.

00:00 Introduction
01:22 Lucy and Brian, tell us a bit about yourselves, your family, and what a typical week looks like in your home.
03:43 What made you both say yes to today's conversation?
04:23 If this conversation goes really well, what would feel different in your home a month from now?
07:04 How do each of you define leisure time?
12:42 True leisure vs. responsibility disguised as leisure
15:13 The Fundamentals of the Fair Play System
20:19 Facilitation of the Fair Play System

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ManFlu Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/033U3TUJv0ChU1hQNjro7r

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Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team.

I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as a Certified Financial Therapist, Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com.

Today we welcome Dr. Megan Ford and Dr. Christine Hargrove. Dr. Ford is the University of Georgia Director of the Love and Money Center, Certified Financial Therapist, and Licensed and Marriage Therapist. Dr. Hargrove is the Love and Money Center Assistant Director, UGA Clinical Assistant Professor, Certified Financial Therapist, and Licensed and Marriage Therapist.

For today’s episode, Dr. Ford and Dr. Hargrove share research on financial conflict, the emotional burden of day-to-day money management, and how roles like “bean counter” shape stress within relationships. The conversation also offers practical, research-backed strategies for couples and neurodivergent individuals to manage money with greater awareness, compassion, and teamwork. Enjoy the show.

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction
02:19 What do we do at the Love and Money Center? Why is it unique? Why is it needed?
06:54 Can you tell us about the Ford Financial Empowerment Model
08:07 Would you share with us your research behind beancounters, and neurodivergents?
15:48 What's the history behind how the Love and Money Center came to be?
20:44 What are the benefits for students?
26:57 Can you highlight some interesting research that has emerged from the Love and Money Center?
33:36 Can you each share one actionable tip for our listeners to improve their financial relationship with their partners?

Love and Money Center

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