Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team.

I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I provide as an Accredited Financial Counselor and Fair Play Facilitator. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com.

For today’s episode we welcome Dr. Corinne Low, an Associate Professor of Business Economics and Public Policy at the Wharton School. Dr. Low has spoken to top academic institutions such as Harvard University, Stanford University, and Oxford, as well as to organizations like the New York Federal Reserve, Brookings, and the US Department of Labor.

Her research focuses on the economics of gender and discrimination. Her first book, Having It All, is a bestseller, and the focus of today’s conversation.

We discuss the evolving definition of success, emphasizing the need to balance career ambitions with personal fulfillment and lifestyle needs. They challenge the traditional notion of success as merely career maximization, advocating for a more holistic approach that includes financial stability and time management.

Enjoy the show.

Questions

00:00 Introduction

02:45 Your book argues that women’s unhappiness isn’t a result of “trying too little” but of operating within systems that were never designed for them to succeed. What do you see as the biggest structural change that would make dual-career households more sustainable today?

04:27 You write that we should “think like economists” when making life decisions. How can couples apply that mindset at home—when deciding how to divide money, chores, and childcare?

07:23 You describe relationships and careers as “deals” that exchange time, effort, and money for certain payoffs. How can couples assess whether they’re both getting a good deal at home and at work?

17:10 In your research, you’ve found that even when women are the primary breadwinners, they still do more cooking and cleaning. What does the data tell us about why this happens—and what needs to shift culturally for men to truly share the load?

21:43 You’ve written that women’s time constraints are fundamentally different from men’s. How can couples design systems—financial or domestic—that make time equity as real a goal as income equity?

28:48 You challenge the old idea of “having it all.” If we were to redefine success for couples today, what should replace that phrase?

30:41 You’ve said this book is both a guide and a call to action. What do you hope men, in particular, will take away from Having It All about their role in building more equal partnerships?

32:51 What is one simple and actionable step you want listeners to take away from today’s conversation?

https://www.corinnelow.com/: Time Tracking Sheet

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Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team.

I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I now provide. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com or you can email me at brian@modernhusbands.com.

For today’s podcast we welcome Rhoda Mills Sommer, who has been helping couples for nearly 45 years, and is the host of the podcast, What Healthy Couples Know that You Don't.

Today’s conversation explores the root causes behind money struggles, how to improve problem-solving and communication, and practical strategies for navigating hard conversations—especially around major topics like college expenses and shifting money values. Couples will walk away with tools to foster courage, connection, and clarity in their financial journey together. Enjoy the show.

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction
01:35 What do you believe is underneath the struggles that couples have over money?
03:15 What does it mean to share power?
08:50 What is one big thing that interferes with couples problem solving over money?
11:25 What can help relationships improve their problem solving abilities?
13:38 What is one quality that husbands & wives can both embrace to help financial success move forward?
17:55 What can couples do to find their courage to have conversations about money?
20:20 What can improve hard conversations?
22:29 Your thoughts about spending money for kids on college?
32:55 Would you address money values changing over time?
34:32 What should couples watch out for that can easily derail money conversations?
36:31: Actionable advice for your life


Rhoda Mills Sommer LCSW
Blog & Website: therapyideas.net
Twitter & Instagram: @rhodaoncouples
Podcast: What Healthy Couples Know That You Don't

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Welcome to the Modern Husbands podcast, where any combination of Dr. Bruce Ross, Christian Sherrill, and Brian Page host national experts who share winning ideas to manage money and the home as a team.

I’m Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Sometimes our listeners want more support than a podcast can give, individual or couple support, which I now provide. Details can be found at modernhusbands.com or you can email me at brian@modernhusbands.com.

For today’s podcast we welcome Melissa Hogenboom, an award-winning journalist and editor at the BBC who is the author of Breadwinners.

In this episode of the Modern Husbands podcast, we delve into the intricate dynamics of gender roles and economic anxiety. We explore the challenges faced by female breadwinners, the psychological impact of economic instability on men, and the evolving expectations of masculinity. Through insightful discussions, we uncover how societal norms and financial pressures shape relationships and individual well-being. Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of these pressing issues and discover actionable steps to foster equality and resilience in modern partnerships.

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction
02:44 What motivated you to write the book, Breadwinners?
04:36 Can you define what it means to be a breadwinner, and distinguish between sole and primary breadwinners?
07:49 Why do some men experience anxiety and stress when their wives are the breadwinners?
09:46 What are the traits and attitudes men possess that lead to high marital satisfaction when he is married to a female breadwinner?
13:29 Why is it that women who earn more often feel the need to overcompensate at home?
17:54 Can you explain the concept of 'exchange-bargaining’ and how money becomes a bargaining chip in domestic labor?
22:09 Can you describe financial control as a form of power that can easily veer into manipulation?
27:53 How do societal expectations differ for same-sex couples when it comes to earning and domestic responsibilities?
32:05 What does the science say about the benefits—for children and couples—of dads taking on caregiving roles?
37:03 What are the traits of the men who stay home and take advantage of parental leave, or do not have problems when their wife is the breadwinner?
40:50 What are the consequences of one partner with a low sense of power in the relationship?
42:48 You mention that too little power creates stress, but too much reduces empathy. How can couples find the right balance of shared influence in their relationship?
46:39 What are the small, actionable steps listeners can take today to start shifting power imbalances in their own relationships?

Purchase the book: https://melissahogenboom.com/breadwinners-2/

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