• 163 - How to Go All-In on an Ecosystem, with Daniel Zarick
    May 21 2024

    Daniel Zarick explains the benefits and challenges of building a product on a platform, specifically on the HubSpot ecosystem. He shares how Arrows, an onboarding tool, chose to build on HubSpot and how they focused on creating valuable content for HubSpot users to capture their attention and build trust. Daniel also highlights the value of creating content that not only attracts customers but also helps sales and customer success teams in their roles.

    Takeaways:

    • Building on a platform allows you to align your product with existing customer workflows and integrate with other tools they use.
    • Understanding customer needs and building integrations that solve their problems is crucial for success.
    • Creating valuable content for users within the platform ecosystem can help build trust and attract customers.
    • Partnerships and collaboration with other companies in the ecosystem can lead to mutual benefits and growth.
    • Focusing on the needs of sales and customer success teams can help drive adoption and usage of your product. Creating value for customers is essential for success
    • Partnerships play a crucial role in go-to-market strategies
    • Building within a single ecosystem has risks and benefits
    • Being narrative-obsessed helps in creating successful partnerships
    • Understanding the layers in the stack and focusing on your specific role is important
    • Hiring and company culture are key factors in building a successful company

    Chapters:

    00:00 Introduction and Reunion

    03:03 Choosing HubSpot and Understanding Customer Needs

    06:02 Creating Valuable Content for the Platform Ecosystem

    08:24 The Power of Partnerships

    11:22 Focusing on Sales and Customer Success

    25:21 Solving the Problem for the Customer

    28:30 The Greatest Partner Event Ever

    33:26 Build, Buy, Partner - It's All Three

    42:20 Being Narrative-Obsessed

    45:09 Understanding the Layers in the Stack



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    47 mins
  • 162 - "I Built My Entire Business on Nearbound Principles" - with Tim Chermak
    May 14 2024

    Tim Cermak discusses the evolution of marketing strategies, stressing the importance of authentic content to build trust and brand recognition. Tim explains "fuzzy ROI" and the challenges of measuring digital marketing effectiveness. The conversation covers the shift from traditional marketing to community-focused approaches, emphasizing partnerships with local businesses and the value of elevating community voices. Tim's success story from a recent event, where client testimonials significantly boosted sales, illustrates the power of Nearbound marketing and the need for genuine endorsements.

    Key Takeaways:

    • Tim Cermak's expertise in Nearbound marketing for the real estate industry
    • Challenges realtors face in marketing and the importance of building trust with clients
    • Shift towards Nearbound marketing and its importance in standing out in a competitive market
    • Importance of authentic and organic content in building trust and brand recognition
    • Evolution of marketing tactics and the need for adaptation in the changing digital environment
    • Emphasis on community-focused approach and partnership with local businesses
    • Success of Nearbound marketing strategy in driving sales and recurring revenue
    • Impact of leveraging customer testimonials and endorsements in marketing efforts
    • Importance of genuine endorsements and trust in building authentic recommendations
    • Lessons learned and the importance of groundwork, trust, and social proof in marketing strategies


    Chapters:

    00:00:00 Introduction

    00:02:54 Nearbound Marketing Principles

    00:04:42 Alignment with Nearbound Marketing

    00:05:04 Challenges in Realtor Marketing

    00:13:38 Long Buying Cycle in Real Estate

    00:16:57 Selfie Strategy and Organic Posts

    00:17:52 Category Marketing and Community Expertise

    00:18:42 Partner Marketing and Building Relationships

    00:27:21 Impact of Cheap CPMS on Marketing

    00:30:45 Challenges in Tracking Marketing Attribution

    00:32:19 Importance of Logical Marketing

    00:33:26 The guide to rethinking higher education

    00:34:18 Email copywriting and human touch

    00:39:13 Understanding ad effectiveness

    00:41:05 Engagement metrics and trust-building

    00:44:02 Sponsorship and trust-building

    00:49:52 The impact of customer marketing

    00:52:13 Recognizing the power of Nearbound marketing

    00:52:55 Lessons from successful marketing

    00:55:12 Personal revelation about Nearbound marketing

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    56 mins
  • Nearbound Audiobook Snippet: Nearbound Defined - Outbound, Inbound, and Nearbound
    Apr 25 2024

    Jared Fuller properly defines Nearbound in this snippet of the Nearbound audiobook. Why Nearbound, why now? Listen to the full audiobook available on Amazon now.

    Chapters:

    00:00 What is Nearbound?

    01:19 Nearbound in a Word

    07:00 Building Up from First Principles

    11:06 Why Nearbound, Why Now?

    20:05 Network Effects Explained

    27:28 A Brief History of Network Effects

    40:33 Different Types of Network Effects

    46:12 The Nearbound Methodology - What You Need To Do Today.

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    48 mins
  • 161 - 3 Things You Need to Know: Attribution Crisis, Early Majority, and the Consolidation of Tech with AI
    Apr 16 2024

    Jared and Isaac discuss the internet's re-platforming towards AI and GPU tech, and potential challenges for SaaS due to automation and consolidation. Listen in to learn how to navigate the "Who Economy" through strategic partnerships and build resilience in a changing market.

    Takeaways

    • The book 'Nearbound and the Rise of the Who Economy' has been well-received, with people implementing the ideas and strategies discussed.
    • Partnerships are an important aspect of marketing, and if people are not talking about you, they are not thinking about you.
    • New terminology, such as 'Nearbound', is necessary to facilitate discussions and explore new strategies.
    • Partnerships play a role in social media and events, and their importance should not be underestimated.
    • Partner-led growth focuses on GTM resources on accounts nearest to the business and its partners. Partnerships are crucial for reaching buyers and should be based on understanding customer preferences and trusted voices.
    • The tech industry is witnessing the emergence of unlikely partnerships, such as Apple and Google, as companies navigate the replatforming of the internet.
    • The SaaS industry is facing disruption and consolidation, with AI and automation potentially reducing the need for certain tools and services.
    • Interdependence and resilience are key in times of disruption, and companies should seek out partnerships that allow them to survive and thrive.
    • The pace of change is accelerating, and companies have a limited time to adapt and create interdependence within their departments.

    Chapters

    00:00 The Reception of 'Nearbound and the Rise of the Who Economy'

    08:49 The Debate and Criticism Surrounding Nearbound

    25:07 Unlikely Bedfellows: Emerging Partnerships in the Tech Industry

    38:37 The Re-platforming of the Internet and the Disruption of the SaaS Industry



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    46 mins
  • 160 - How Open Source Unlocked Our Ecosystem - with Clint Oram
    Apr 10 2024

    Clint Oram, CSO of SugarCRM, dives into the origins of the company as an open-source CRM platform and explains the importance of building an ecosystem and community around a product. Clint shares insights on the challenges and benefits of embracing open source and API-first approaches, as well as the value of creating loyal customers through partnerships. They also explore the mindset of successful founders and the need to balance product development with go-to-market strategies.

    Takeaways

    • Building an ecosystem and community around a product is essential for creating loyal customers and driving growth.
    • Embracing open source and API-first approaches can enable developers to build on top of a product and create value-added solutions.
    • Successful founders understand the importance of letting go and empowering others to drive success.
    • Creating a killer product that solves a real pain point is crucial for long-term success.
    • Balancing product development with go-to-market strategies, including marketing, sales, and customer success, is essential for creating loyal customers. Growing beyond the early adopter market is crucial for sustained growth.
    • Partnerships should be a two-way street, with both sides bringing value and customers.
    • AI has the potential to augment human productivity and solve complex problems.
    • Blockchain can address privacy concerns created by AI.
    • The future will be shaped by AI and blockchain, leading to a more productive and trustworthy world.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Background

    01:20 The Origins of SugarCRM as an Open-Source Platform

    08:13 Embracing Open Source and API-First Approaches

    13:09 The Importance of Well-Designed APIs

    24:34 Creating a Killer Product that Solves a Real Pain Point

    25:26 Balancing Product Development with Go-to-Market Strategies

    26:06 Growing Beyond the Early Adopter Market

    29:52 The Evolution of Partnerships

    34:31 The Potential of AI

    41:57 The Role of Blockchain in Addressing Privacy Concerns

    48:35 Shaping a Productive and Trustworthy Future


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    51 mins
  • 159 - Meet Your Partnerships Mentor - Nelson Wang on First Principles
    Apr 2 2024

    Nelson Wang, the Global Head of Partnerships at Airtable, talks about the importance of transitioning from tactics to principles in building successful partner programs. Nelson shares his experience in building partner programs and emphasizes the value of customer interviews and first principles. He also addresses the challenge of long-term thinking in a short-term job market and the importance of assessing customer needs and building trust.

    Takeaways

    • Transitioning from tactics to principles is crucial in building successful partner programs.
    • Customer interviews and understanding their pain points are essential for building customer-centric partner programs.
    • Sharing lessons and experiences can help others be more successful and make their lives easier.
    • Balancing short-term wins with long-term trust is important in building sustainable partner programs.
    • Assessing customer needs and building trust are key components of successful partnerships. Being customer-obsessed is crucial for long-term success in partnerships.
    • Helping customers reach their desired outcomes is the key to creating value.
    • Saying no and prioritizing key initiatives is essential for success.
    • Quality is more important than quantity in partnerships.


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Teaser of the Book

    01:10 Using Airtable for Workbook Creation

    03:06 Transitioning from Tactics to Principles

    05:39 The Importance of Customer Interviews

    07:17 The Value of First Principles

    08:56 Nelson Wang's Motivation to Share Lessons

    10:38 Balancing Short-Term Wins and Long-Term Trust

    19:17 The Challenge of Long-Term Thinking in a Short-Term Job Market

    20:49 Assessing Customer Needs and Building Trust

    25:31 Customer Obsession and Long-Term Success

    26:27 Setting Up a Partner Program for Long-Term Success

    27:04 The Importance of Being Customer-Obsessed

    28:01 Helping Customers Reach Their Promised Land

    28:29 Making Hard Asks in Pursuit of Customer Outcomes

    29:54 Outside-In Approach and Focusing on Customer Outcomes

    30:15 Being Bold in Pursuit of Customer Outcomes

    31:32 The Importance of Saying No and Prioritizing

    32:36 Knowing Your Customers and Partners

    33:31 Focusing on Key Priorities at Different Company Stages

    34:31 Quality Over Quantity in Partnerships

    36:46 Avoiding Shiny Object Syndrome

    37:12 The Importance of Making Good Decisions

    38:11 The Power of Compound Interest in Partnerships

    41:23 Getting Buy-In from Leadership

    42:20 Presenting Strategy to CXOs and Boards

    44:17 Sharing Strategy and Getting Feedback

    46:49 The Importance of Quality in Partnerships



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    52 mins
  • 158 - Why Agency Programs are the HARDEST. The Pirate Island Problem, with Max Traylor
    Mar 26 2024

    Join Max Traylor, Isaac Morehouse, and Jared Fuller on a rollercoaster ride through the agency ecosystem, where AI looms large. In this episode, Max unpacks the future of consulting, shares tales from the trenches, and offers a preview of his upcoming book, 'The World's Worst Book for Consultants.' This episode is a MUST listen for those eager to challenge the status quo of the consulting world.

    Takeaways

    • Building trust and confidence with clients is crucial for agencies.
    • Documenting and recording the process can help agencies navigate challenges and build credibility.
    • Strategic agencies that have experience in implementing new services are more likely to succeed.
    • The rise of AI will disrupt the agency industry, but strong relationships with clients' leadership teams will remain valuable. Building strong relationships with trusted partners is crucial in uncertain times.
    • Humor can be a valuable tool in consulting and building connections.
    • Questioning traditional consulting advice and exploring unconventional approaches can lead to innovative solutions.
    • Breaking into people's physical world and providing tangible, memorable experiences can enhance the impact of consulting services.

    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction and Excitement
    01:13 The Challenges of Agencies
    06:29 Building Trust and Confidence
    08:20 Documenting and Recording the Process
    10:32 Customer Success as the Foundation
    12:00 The Importance of Experience and Trust
    13:41 The Role of Strategy in Agency Programs
    15:05 Balancing Strategy and Implementation
    21:31 The Impact of AI on Agencies
    24:52 The Future of Go-to-Market and Trust
    30:09 Building Strong Relationships
    32:08 The World's Worst Book for Consultants
    33:14 The Worst Advice from Consultants
    36:39 Humor in Consulting
    38:44 The Secret Project
    40:19 The Beers of Max
    41:20 The Pirate Island Problem
    42:34 Breaking into the Physical World




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    45 mins
  • 157 - 18 Months Until the End of SaaS? Jacco's Prophecy
    Mar 19 2024

    In this episode, Jacco van der Kooij joins Jared and Isaac to discuss the importance of selling customers what they want and helping them succeed. He emphasizes the role of recurring revenue in driving impact and the need to focus on long-term profitability. They also explores the tension between AI and trust, with Jacco highlighting the need for time to build trust in AI-driven experiences. The delayed adoption of AI in go-to-market motions is discussed, along with the future of AI and the challenge of predicting its timeframe. Jacco predicts the rise of go-to-market quality management and the role of AI as the 'robot' of the go-to-market industry. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the replacement of SDRs by AI and the importance of passion and expertise in achieving success.

    Takeaways

    • Buyers are becoming increasingly wary of traditional inbound and outbound strategies, making it challenging to reach them effectively.
    • Trust is the new data, and buyers are more likely to trust voices that have been to the places they want to go.
    • Education plays a crucial role in building trust with customers, but it is important to consider the source and context of the information.
    • Aligning go-to-market motion with the product can lead to faster growth and success. Industry expertise and passion are key factors in building trust and driving sales.
    • Reviews and recommendations from trusted sources are more valuable than ratings alone.
    • Sell customers what they want and help them succeed to drive recurring revenue and long-term profitability.
    • Building trust in AI-driven experiences takes time and requires a focus on delivering value to customers.
    • The adoption of AI in go-to-market motions has been delayed compared to other industries, but its impact will be significant.
    • Predicting the timeframe of AI's development is challenging, but it is important to anticipate changes sooner rather than later.
    • The future of go-to-market will involve the rise of go-to-market quality management and the use of AI as a key tool.
    • AI has the potential to replace certain roles, such as SDRs, in the go-to-market process.
    • Passion and expertise are crucial for success in any field, and individuals should focus on aligning their work with their passions.
    • Embrace change and be prepared to adapt to the evolving landscape of go-to-market strategies.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Setting the Stage

    01:21 The Challenge of Reaching Buyers

    06:26 Trust as the New Data

    09:21 The Importance of Education and Context

    13:39 The Role of Education in Building Trust

    19:33 The Challenge of GTM Alignment in Different Industries

    20:28 The Importance of Trustworthy Reviews and Recommendations

    23:37 The Future of Sales: Experts and Passion

    25:53 The Importance of Selling Customers What They Want

    28:12 The Tension Between AI and Trust

    29:06 The Delayed Adoption of AI in Go-to-Market Motions

    30:35 The Future of AI and Predicting the Timeframe

    34:57 The Rise of Go-to-Market Quality Management

    38:02 AI as the Robot of the Go-to-Market Industry

    41:41 The Replacement of SDRs by AI

    42:57 Passion and Expertise as the Key to Success


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    54 mins