This is the way I always wanted to close the first series; by speaking to my shadow, my hero, my inspiration... my Dad!  Mike McIntyre overcame devastating defeat at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics to win gold, against the odds, at Seoul 1988.  For my whole life, I've wanted to emulate his achievement and, in Tokyo in 2021, I managed to win my own Olympic Sailing gold.  Two in one household!  I know, crazy!   We've never properly sat down to talk about the significance of it; how I felt growing up in his shadow, how he felt when I achieved my dream.  It's time to put that right!  Standby for some emotional moments plus some low-budget adventures of being an under-funded athlete in the 1980s!  

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Time Codes;

00:30 Introducing Mike McIntyre

04:00 How did Mike get into sailing?

05:25 How crazy is it to Mike that Eilidh have both won Olympic Gold?!

08:50 Eilidh and Mike discuss how they communicated during the games

12:00  Turning the clock right back, when did Mike know he wanted to go to the Olympics?

14:30 How did Mike’s Olympic life differ from mine?!

18:00 Was there a moment when the journey to the games just felt too hard?

25:43 The unspoken Olympics in our home and the lessons learned.

32:00 The Americas Cup as Mike relocates to Perth.

34:00 The 1988 Golden Olympics in Seoul!

41:00 The last race of the games; it all comes down to this!

43:28 The shadow over Dad's Gold -Ben Johnson's only gone and tested positive for drugs!

44:50 Mike’s biggest regret?

46:05 When Did Mike realise Eilidh was a mini him!?

47:48 What was it like for MIke watching Eilidh at the games?

49:30 Christmas cracker Questions!!!

Emma Wilson is making waves in the British sailing team as our number one windsurfer!   She won bronze at the Tokyo Olympic and has sights firmly set on gold come Paris 2024.   Windsurfing runs in the family with Emma's Mum Penny, formerly Penny Way, competing at Barcelona and Atlanta.  But while that link has its natural advantages, Emma explains it also has its trickier moments!  As she chats with teammate Eilidh Mcintyre for the penultimate episode of the first series, Emma lets her guard down and displays a shyness behind her competitive exterior.  Does this come from the obvious 'shadow' in her life?   In association with Quote Search.

Time Codes:

00:50 Introducing our 7th Olympic medalist Emma Wilson and her shadow; Mum, Penny Wilson

02:20 Emmas early life growing up in a windsurfing family.

05:50 Why did Emma choose windsurfing?

09:20 How much did sibling rivalry shape Emma’s career?

11:00 How did Emma overcome her shyness?

14:15 The Tokyo Celebrations!

15:25 What was it like not having Mum at the Olympics?

18:00 How much did it help having Mum as her mentor?

19:40 Did Emma feel the pressure of her family history?

22:00 What was it like taking on an Olympic medalist to get to the games?

25:30 Managing the Covid postponement

28:20 How’s Emma dealing with no longer being the underdog and whats she aiming for now?

30:00 What Emma’s advice for anyone who’s feeling overwhelmingly shy?

The athletes on this series all have a "shadow" looming large over the sporting careers; whether parent, sibling, team-mate or partner.  But what if the shadow is the sport itself?  Feeling an outsider in a sport which has chosen you, rather than the other way round.  That's the case for rower Moe Sbihi, one of Team GB's flagbearers at the Tokyo Olympics.  He's won three Olympic Medals - one from each of the last three games - including gold at Rio 2016 in the iconic Coxless Four.  But Moe's carried a weight with him his whole career and now finds himself at a crossroads.  In a remarkable conversation with fellow Team GB member Eilidh Mcintyre, Mo reveals all and bears his soul.  Warning; this episode includes swearing.

01:26 introducing Moe: How did he get into rowing?

2:40 Moe talks about stumbling into rowing after being talent ID'd and the subsequent target on his back

05:40 When did Moe realise he had the mentality to make it

07:50 Moe’s “arrogance” and who gave him the shove up the arse?

12:15  How did Moe become the man he wanted to be

13:50 It's not just about giving your best on the water its also about team work

17:20 The pressures of being in the coxless 4 and the personal struggle to be in that boat

20:00 Learning to be a leader

23:00 Making the 4 at 2016 and their yoda Jurgen Grobler.

25:55 The great british rowing legacy and the legacy of Steve Redgrave and Matt Pinsent

27:00 The shadow legacy

32:32 The influence of Grobler is clear on Moe.  The pre-Rio “chat”

34:07 Tokyo; the Rowing was the worst regatta for GB since Montreal. Moe was part of it, even though he won a bronze.

36:20 Does Moe wish he could change things in Tokyo?

38:00 Moe on Grobler's departure and the void it left

39:00 The flag-bearing experience at the Tokyo opening ceremony.

43:22 What does the future look like for british rowing and of course Moe?

We're flipping the concept on Episode 5!  Rather than speak to another athlete who's lived, and burst out of, someone else's shadow, we're talking to the shadow themselves!  Not that there's anything dark or gloomy about Liz McColgan; a World Champion and Olympic Silver Medalist over 10,000 metres, Liz was one of Britain's finest long-distance runners and, as you'll hear, a fantastic guest!  Now she's a hugely respected coach and - the reason why she's on the pod - the Mum of Eilish McColgan, the brand new Commonwealth 10,000 metres champion!   Join Eilidh Mcintyre as she delves into this very unique relationship; three Commonwealth Golds in the same family!   We get many clues into the champion mindset and some brilliant lessons in coaching and talent development. 

Time Codes

01:00 This week Eilidh flips the concept and is interviewing Liz McColgan

01:31 They jump right in and reflect on Eilish's gold medal winning run in Birmingham and discuss her career bad luck

04:00 The Commonwealth Games, finally pain free and the relief of the win

05:28 Eilidh Asks Liz whether her fame has affected Eilish

07:40 How does Liz switch between Mentor and Mum?

9:50 Liz was always told she wasn’t good enough and explains why she'll never tell someone they can't make it

10:50 Eilidh and Liz discuss lack of confidence and how Eilish got into running

12:30 There’s more reason to do sport than to just win

14:25 When did Liz realise she’d made a mini me?!

17:25 What was the pivotal moment that made Eilish put everything into her running?

20:15 In partnership with Quote search

20:30 Where did Liz’s champion mindset come from?

23:15  The introduction of Harry Bennett; the making of Liz McColgan

25:30 How Liz McColgan coached herself to become the amazing coach she is today

26:45 When did Eilish first tell Liz she wanted to follow in her footsteps?

31:00 The confidence that comes from winning

32:50 Has there ever been a moment that LIz is jealous of the amazing British system we have in place now?

34:30 How does it feel when your records get broken?

36:40 The big difference between Liz’s career and Eilish is Social media

39:00 Does Eilish get more stick than the men who have similar builds too her?

40:52 What is Liz’s Proudest moment of being Eilish’s Mum?

Eilidh hasn't roped enough fellow Team GB Gold Medalists onto the pod, so here's another!  After Jonny Brownlee and Matty Lee, she welcomes champion boxer Galal Yafai, who sensationally won Gold at Tokyo in the men's flyweight division.  As the commentator on the radio said at the moment of victory:  "Superfly, Galal Yafai!!!"  Galal's story is quite incredible.  He comes from a fighting household with his two older brothers, Kal and Gamal, both respected champions in their respective weight divisions.  The shadow is obvious; little Galal was always fighting up a weight, in his own household!   What did this teach him in terms of resilience and courage?  How did it shape his life as he followed his siblings into the boxing ring?  Tokyo was his second Olympics; he simply had to succeed. That's what he told himself.  Now he's gone pro, is it time to get make Birmingham triple bill with Yafai, Yafai and Yafai?  Why not!   A NinetyFour19 Production in association with QuoteSearch.

Time Codes

00:49 Eilidh welcomes Galal Yafai onto the pod.

01:30  What things were like growing up in a Birmingham fighting house?

04:20 Galal was inspired in 2000 to go to the Olympics.  It took a while, but it was worth the wait!

05:50 Galal was late to his first boxing fight, why did it take so long - what did that teach him?

06:20 He went to the Rio Olympics.  What was that like?

07:00 What was the rivalry like between the 3 brothers?

08:40 Family fight debriefs!

09:50 In-depth detail of the Rio Olympics

12:07 How did Galal get so single minded?

14:00 How have Galal’s brothers helped shape his career decisions?

15:00 Turning left of right at the aeroplane door after the Olympics!  Eilidh recognises Galal's incentives!

17:50 The next Olympic qualifier was in March 2020.  Date ring any bells?!  Chaos is in the air...

21:00 How did Galal stay fit during lockdown?

22:30 Tokyo 2020 the final chat...

27:00 The welcome home from Tokyo; the boy's only gone and won Gold!

28:50 How does the family stay so grounded?

30:00 The ultimate mentor moment...

31:30 Team Yafai foundation; this means business.

32:40 The ultimate goal? 3 brothers, 1 Bill.  In Birmingham.  Huge!

34:25 Galal turns the tables and starts grilling Eilidh!

On Episode Three, Eilidh's joined by Britain's most recognisable skier; the amazing Chemmy Alcott!   Like the other guests on this series, she's had to force her way out of the shadows (both of her parents were distinguished athletes) but fuelled by an insatiable desire to carve a career in a niche sport and succeed where so many would fail, Chemmy conquered many metaphorical mountains.  Perhaps more familiar these days as the face of BBC's Ski Sunday, Chemmy has lived a remarkable life; full of incredible dreams and devastating setbacks.    She tells Eilidh about leaving home as a child to train on the other side of the world, the time she brokered her own sponsorship deal after school (while still in uniform!) and how early success somehow proved a barrier to taking the next step.  And when the subject turns to injuries, it's as hard to keep track of the serious traumas as it is to believe the comebacks Chemmy has engineered.  She joins Olympic sailing gold medalist Eilidh Mcintyre to tell the remarkable, full story.   A NinetyFour19 production in association with Quote Search.

Time Codes:

00:30 intro of Chemmy Alcott and her shadow

03:00 Chemmy opens up about her desire, at 10 years old, to train in New Zealand.

04:30 Chemmy reflects on losing her Mum.

05:10 Eilidh and Chemmy discuss the perception of pushy parents.

08:01 Eilidh asks Chemmy about her injury recovery.

11:45 Eilidh Questions Chemmy about the younger years: sponsors, success as a child, other skills as an athlete you develop.

16:00 Eilidh and Chemmy discuss disparity between Olympic sports and whether she wishes she had had more structure.

18:30 Chemmy talks about being too caught up in her own head and Eilidh shares her own experiences.

19:50 Chemmy talks about her passion project.

23:22 Eilidh dives deeper into Chemmy’s crazy childhood ambitions and adventures.

25:50 When did Chemmy realise she wanted to go to the games?

26:45 Choosing between tennis and skiing and the different psychology required depending on the sport.

30:25 Eilidh asks Chemmy about her broken neck and how you bounce back from such a setback at such a young age.

32:38 Chemmy’s first Olympic experience in Salt Lake City.

33:25 Chemmy opens up about her struggles with performance mindset.

35:30 Chemmy’s other Olympics experience and the mystery of the Vancouver donor!

37:28 Why did Chemmy feel so much pressure in Vancouver?

38:15  The Sochi Olympics experience -no training, 3 leg breaks, barely any training!

39:50 The fears of an Athlete of accidentally taking drugs but how she has found help in recent years.

41:01 The future of Olympic Skiing.

The Olympic Gold Medalists keep coming, with Eilidh joined on Episode Two by the incredible Matty Lee!  Already a world class diver, Matty's profile took off when teamed with Tom Daley for the 10 metre synchro event at Tokyo 2020.  Inevitably, there was huge focus on his more illustrious partner, hence getting Matty on the pod to tell his own personal story of coming "out of the shadows".  Since Tom's Olympic debut, as a 14 year old in 2008, he's been on a journey towards Gold.  But it took the partnership with Matty to fulfil the dream.  And while Tom took most of the headlines, Matty knew his contribution was immense.  It was life in the shadows, to a great extent, but a life fulfilled when the final dive was executed, under immense pressure.  Matty then gained TV stardom when he entered the jungle for ITV's "Im a Celebrity..." and tells his incredible story, with several surprise twists, on this latest show in the series.  Out of the Shadows with Eilidh Mcintyre is in association with QuoteSearch and is produced by NinetyFour19.  Email us at outofthepod@outlook.com and follow on instagram @outofthepod.

Full Time Codes:

00:06 Eilidh Intro-Why out of the shadows?

01:08  Eilidh Introduces Matty. Has he ever felt in Tom's shadow?

02:10 Eilidh and Matty discuss the idea of imposter syndrome

03:25 How does Matty overcome the nerves of competing with Tom, knowing he’s performing his best?

04:30 Matty discusses how his mental strength improved whilst diving with Tom.

06:00 Eilidh sets the scene for the Tokyo Olympics. How did Matty prepare for the pressure?

08:35 Matty discusses how important it was that they competed during the Covid years, unlike their main rivals.

09:53 Eilidh explains what happened during Tom and Matty’s Syncro dive day at the Olympics and asks Matty how he dealt with the Olympic Rings

14:00 Matty and Tom didn’t talk at all between their final Olympic dives and Eilidh is amazed and digs deeper!

15:00 The atmosphere was big despite the lack of crowds at the games

16:15 Everyone wants to know what it feels like to win a gold Eilidh does her best to describe it.

16:30 Eilidh gets a a cheeky insight from Tom at the Team GB ball and reveals it to Matty.

17:25 Banned from mentioning 'Gold' but was always going slightly against the grain due to belief in his partnership with Tom.

18:00 Matty discusses his amazing relationship with Tom.

20:50 Quote search Ad

21:28 Matty took on I’m a Celebrity we get to hear a little bit behind the scenes

23:30 Eilidh asks Matty about opening up about being bullied at school.

27:38 Matty discusses trolls online and how his previous experiences as a kid helps him now

28:25 What’s next for Matty as Tom and his coach takes a break?

30:40 How do you find your motivation without your best mate and comfort blanket?

34:20 How has winning gold changed how Matty feels within himself

38:40 Eilidh ask Matty how he gets himself out of bed in the morning now he has gold

The series launches with Eilidh in conversation with fellow Olympic Gold Medalist, the amazing Jonny Brownlee! He's one of the most decorated triathletes in the world but Jonny still lives in the shadow of his older brother, Alistair.  They work together as a team - two brothers who live together, train together and wear the same national vest - but compete as rivals. There's a lot we can learn from this weird and warming dynamic. Jonny's refreshing take on this sibling rivalry should inspire anyone who finds themselves with underdog-syndrome or any sort of inferiority complex.  Make no mistake, with multiple World titles and multiple Olympic medals, Jonny's a superstar of this extraordinary sport. The close-to-home rivalry has spurred him to be the best he can possibly be and the story isn't over yet.   Out of the Shadows with Eilidh Mcintyre is in association with QuoteSearch and is produced by NinetyFour19.  Email us at outofthepod@outlook.com and follow on instagram @outofthepod. 

Full Time Codes: 

01:08 Eilidh Explains why the podcast is called Out Of The Shadows 

02:30 Eilidh introduces Jonny, his accolades and his shadow 

3:15 Eilidh and Jonny dive right in and discuss how much pressure there is as Alistair's little bro! 

4:35 Eilidh and Jonny delve into London 2012 - dramatic stuff! 5:27 Jonny discusses how he bounced back from his first ever time penalty. At his first Olympics. 

08:55 Eilidh’s reflection of how similar Jonny’s relationship with Alistair sounds to hers with team mate Hannah Mills 

09:25 The brothers who live together and train together: The pair discuss what it was like in the build to 2012 and how Jonny helped Alistairr recover from injury. 

12:02 Jonny talks about being the younger brother and how he might have been a little too innocent. 

14:30 Eilidh and Jonny discuss what it's like to give feedback to someone who feels above their station. 

16:20 Jonny loves routine and opens up about how lockdown challenged him 

17:15 The story of how the Brownlee brothers got into triathlon 

18:40 There was a time when Jonny wasn’t sure if he wanted to continue with triathlon 

19:39 Alistairr created a tailor-made triathlon program for Jonny to join in with 

21:05 Jonny discusses what motivates him 

22:50 Eilidh asks whether Jonny ever wanted to be different to Alister.  Did he ever want to rebel? 

23:28 Quote Search Advert 

24:00 Eilidh And Jonny discuss confidence. Did Jonny’s relationship with Alistair always build his confidence of did it sometimes go the other way? 

25:48 Jonny opens up about how some of his best races have been when Alistair wasn’t present 

27:31 Jonny admits one of the things he’s most proud of is that he’s never been jealous of Alistair. 

28:21 Jonny recounts the famous incident in Mexico where he suffers from heat exhaustion and is shoved over the finish line by Alistair 

32:04 Does it work both ways? Would Jonny do the same?! 

33:23 Let’s talk about Tokyo; what was it like being without an injured Alistair? 

35:22 Eilidh asked Jonny if he felt empowered by Alister's absence from the games 36:55 Winning gold in the mixed relay; a big performance just days after missing a medal in the individual. 

37:43 How did Jonny manage to bounce back? 

40:20 Jonny sounds excited about trying to get to Paris 2024 

This interview was recorded before Birmingham 2022.  We hope this ambition hasn't changed, despite his recent injury which ruled him out of the Commonwealth Games.  With huge thanks to Jonny Brownlee for his time.  Produced by NinetyFour19 Ltd.