This is the second part of the interview with Sean Doyle. We brought a couple of points back for context. We hope you take his points to heart regarding hiring a CMO, and the terminology used by Sales and Marketing - do they match?

4 Questions a CEO should know before hiring a CMO: You wouldn't hire your nephew out of high school to run your sales team, why do you do it to run  your marketing team and campaigns? 

"Here's another simple litmus test to sales and marketing have a common language, but what does sales call somebody who's at the point of action, they need a proposal. They want to know what it would look like to buy your product or service. What does marketing call that person? Just ask them those questions. If they don't even call a prospect the same thing, you don't have marketing alignment. If they don't understand what marketing alignment is at all, tell them, just Google it and start the journey. 

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Here's a point that gets Sean fired up, "When I come into these great businesses that are doing everything well, they've, they've hired a CFO, who's a CPA and has worked at two or three companies and they get it. And they're really talented. They can do tax work, they can do audit work. They go out and they get someone to run their plant with 20 years' experience. And they get somebody to run the supply chain. That's been negotiating and navigating all the supply chain issues, really talented people. They bring in somebody to run customer service that knows the technical support. And then it comes to marketing and they say, well, you know, my nephew just graduated from, stop it. Stop. Just stop that. You would never do that with your accountant or anybody else on your executive team. Why do you hire that person? And then get frustrated and say marketing doesn't work." 

Here is the link to Sean's book: Shift: 19 Practical, Business-Driven Ideas for an Executive in Charge of Marketing but Not Trained for the Task  

Catch the episode that kicked off this conversation:

So agencies keep creating awareness and awareness and awareness. It's not helping. Our guest, Sean Doyle's firm helps companies with what has become like breathing and very obvious to some, but not too many companies. The way FitzMartin is better is the application of science. Understanding that this prospect list didn't need more awareness. They needed a reason to consider taking that step to plan. He tells a story about a firm they were helping. They needed to understand why should I maybe contemplate yet one more banker at my door? Why should I do that? So we created the whole campaign around that. They changed the voice, the group that did the, testing. They had this brilliant IP, but they kept talking about themselves. Well, guess what? Your prospect doesn't care about you. So the ad that worked so much that got that $800,000 deal, all it said is, do you want to reduce your workman's comp costs? It actually had nothing to the product has nothing to do with workman's comp the outcome of using the product is lowered workman's comp. And that was the motivator for the buyer. And they got their single largest deal because they talked about what mattered to them. 

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Listen to the first half of this episode, "Guess What? Your Prospect Doesn't Care About You."

About Susan's guest:

Sean M. Doyle is principal at FitzMartin Inc, a leading consultancy focused on sales marketing and management, sales and marketing technology services, and revenue operations for B2B companies. Sean and his team at FitzMartin are focused on long-term value creation through a sales-first, scientific approach to driving revenue.

Sean knows that the split personality of marketing is inhibiting growth aspirations. Budget and impact conversations often become contentious: revenue operation marketers tout their ability to drive sales while brand builders argue for longer-term brand investments. The executive team thinks both struggle to demonstrate the near-term value. It is for this reason that Sean’s team believes a thoughtful and data-driven full-funnel marketing strategy can drive significant value.

Sean’s latest book, Shift, explores 19 practical ideas, grounded in the science of behavioral change, that can transform a business’s marketing efforts and, by natural extension, its profitability.

Do you try new skills, and if you aren't great from the start lose interest? Or, do you take it as a challenge to succeed by finding an alternative path? There is no wrong answer here, but you need to know which you do and why. VisionEdge Marketing's President, Laura Patterson gives us a great illustration as she talks about training for triathlons, despite being a weak swimmer.  Here how she applies this to our continuing conversation about changing patterns to break or prevent bad habits.

If you missed the first part of this conversation, you can listen here: