Summary:

In this episode of the Bearded Finisher Podcast, host Zach Shrum interviews Kevin Shimmer, a high-end finisher in the cabinet industry. Kevin shares his journey from being a cabinet maker to becoming a full-time finisher. They discuss the tools and equipment they use, including drum sanders and spray guns. They also talk about the challenges and trends in the finishing industry, such as working with different wood species and using different types of coatings. Overall, the conversation provides insights into the world of high-end finishing and the importance of continuous learning and collaboration within the industry. In this part of the conversation, they talk about using water-based stains and the importance of spraying them instead of wiping them. They also mention different brands and kits available for creating custom stains. They discuss the benefits of using a spray booth for finishing and the challenges of onsite touch-up work. Kevin shares the importance of taking time with the finishing process and the value of asking questions and seeking advice from experienced professionals. Zach and Kevin discuss their experiences in the finishing industry, including challenges with finding and using certain products. They also talk about the importance of training and mentorship in the industry. Outside of work, Kevin enjoys spending time with his family and doing side projects. They wrap up the conversation by discussing future plans.

Keywords:

Bearded Finisher Podcast, Kevin Shimmer, high-end finishing, cabinet industry, tools, equipment, drum sanders, spray guns, challenges, trends, wood species, coatings, continuous learning, collaboration, staining, finishing, cabinets, water-based stains, spraying, wiping, custom stains, spray booth, touch-up, time management, asking questions, finishing industry, challenges, products, training, mentorship, family, side projects, future plans, collaborations

Takeaways:

They discuss the tools and equipment used in the finishing industry, including drum sanders and spray guns.

Continuous learning and collaboration are important in the finishing industry. Water-based stains are better sprayed than wiped

There are different brands and kits available for creating custom stains

Onsite touch-up work can be challenging and requires attention to detail

Taking time with the finishing process is important for achieving a high-quality result

Asking questions and seeking advice from experienced professionals is valuable Finding and using certain finishing products can be challenging, especially when it comes to getting accurate information and data sheets.

Training and mentorship are valuable in the finishing industry, as they can help improve skills and provide guidance.

Outside of work, Kevin enjoys spending time with his family and doing side projects.

Preparation and attention to detail are key in achieving a high-quality finish.

Collaboration and sharing knowledge within the industry can lead to new opportunities and growth.

Titles:

Challenges and Trends in Finishing

The Rise of Colors and High-Gloss Finishes Creating Custom Stains with Kits

Challenges of Onsite Touch-Up Work Balancing Work and Family Life

The Importance of Training and Mentorship

Sound Bites:

"I bought a drum sander."

"All cabinetry. Yeah. No, no, correct. Yep."

"You want to close that knee quite a bit."

"There's a lot of new ones out there."

"Luckily it's a very forgiving product."

Chapters:

00:00

Introduction and Background

06:47

Tools and Equipment

14:01

Working with Different Wood Species

30:42

Challenges of Onsite Touch-Up Work

47:05

Challenges in Finding and Using Finishing Products

55:27

Balancing Work and Family Life

01:02:43

Exploring Future Plans and Collaborations

Summary

In this episode of the Bearded Finisher Podcast, host Zach Shrum interviews Chad Khalaf from Surf Prep Sanding. They discuss Chad's journey in the painting business, his transition to working at Surf Prep, and the importance of relationships and having fun in the industry. They also touch on the core values of Surf Prep and the innovative products they offer. The conversation highlights the significance of process efficiency and the impact it can have on a business's bottom line. In this conversation, Chad Khalaf discusses some of the new products and developments at Surf Prep. He mentions the release of a new red paper disc that is more aggressive and tear-resistant than the yellow paper disc. He also talks about the universal hole pattern that fits every five-inch orbital sander on the market, making it easier for painters and finishers who have multiple sanders. Chad also mentions the new names for their abrasives, such as Riptide, Blizzard, and White Lightning. He discusses the importance of investing in your business and not being afraid of change. Chad's passion is adventure, and he shares his love for extreme activities like Ironman races. He encourages listeners to work harder, not quit, and educate themselves and their customers about the benefits of using high-quality products.

Keywords

Bearded Finisher Podcast, Chad Khalaf, Surf Prep Sanding, painting business, journey, relationships, having fun, core values, process efficiency, innovative products, Surf Prep, new products, red paper disc, aggressive sanding, tear-resistant, universal hole pattern, abrasive names, investing in your business, not quitting, education, adventure

Takeaways

Building relationships and having fun are key aspects of the painting industry.

Efficiency in processes can save time and money, leading to increased profits.

Surf Prep Sanding offers innovative products that help improve surface preparation.

Core values are important in guiding a company's identity and decision-making.

Learning from others and being open to different perspectives can lead to personal and professional growth. Surf Prep has released a new red paper disc that is more aggressive and tear-resistant than the yellow paper disc.

They have developed a universal hole pattern that fits every five-inch orbital sander on the market, making it easier for painters and finishers who have multiple sanders.

Surf Prep has given names to their abrasives, such as Riptide, Blizzard, and White Lightning.

Chad emphasizes the importance of investing in your business and not being afraid of change.

His passion is adventure, and he encourages listeners to work harder, not quit, and educate themselves and their customers about the benefits of using high-quality products.

Titles

Innovative Products for Surface Preparation

The Role of Core Values in Company Identity Embracing Change and Working Harder

Chad Khalaf's Passion for Adventure

Sound Bites

"It's okay to be different, just don't be weird."

"Work hard, play harder."

"Building relationships and having fun are key."

"Our new hole pattern that Skylar just created is a universal hole pattern that fits for the five-inch disk. It fits every single sander on the market. So no matter what tool you have, this one disc will fit every five-inch orbital sander hole pattern."

"Our new red paper will be called Riptide. Our film is now going to be called Blizzard. Our new white lightning is a ceramic blend disc."

Chapters

00:00

Introduction and Background

08:15

Transition to Surf Prep

26:09

Company Culture and Core Values

32:58

The Fun and Stories in the Painting Industry

40:57

The Importance of Investing in Your Business

51:20

Embracing Change and Working Harder

Summary

In this conversation, Zach Shrum and Denny Jahnz discuss various topics related to coatings and woodworking. They talk about Denny's background as a mayor and EMT, and his journey into the coatings industry. They also discuss the advantages of water-based coatings, including their compatibility, environmental benefits, and the ability to achieve different effects and finishes. They highlight the importance of spraying water-based stains and using fast-curing systems to increase productivity. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the versatility and benefits of water-based coatings. They also talk about the cost savings and consistency that can be achieved by mixing your own paint and stains. They emphasize the need for painters to be adaptable and willing to learn and share knowledge within the industry. They also discuss the importance of controlling the temperature of the product during application and the impact it can have on consistency and repeatability. Denny suggests that coatings manufacturers should provide clearer information about the best applications for their products, rather than relying on confusing product numbers. Zach shares his plans for the future, which include consulting, training, and traveling in his motorhome.

Keywords

coatings, woodworking, water-based, compatibility, environmental benefits, spraying, fast-curing systems, versatility, color matching, CNA, paint mixing, stain matching, cost savings, consistency, adaptability, knowledge sharing, temperature control, product regulation, paint pumps, cleaning paint hoppers, hobbies, hunting, outdoor activities, coatings manufacturers, product numbers, applications, consulting, training, traveling

Takeaways

• Water-based coatings offer compatibility and versatility, allowing for the creation of various effects and finishes.
• Spraying water-based stains can increase productivity and achieve a more consistent look.
• Water-based coatings have environmental benefits and are safer for both workers and clients.
• Fast-curing systems can significantly reduce drying time and improve efficiency.
• The use of water-based coatings is becoming more popular in the woodworking industry. Understanding color matching and using a color system like CNA can help achieve consistent and accurate results.
• Mixing your own paint and stains can lead to cost savings and greater control over color formulations.
• Being adaptable and willing to learn and share knowledge is important in the painting industry.
• Controlling the temperature of the product during application can improve consistency and repeatability. Managing multiple paint pumps can be challenging and counterproductive.
• Cleaning paint hoppers can be difficult and time-consuming.
• Denny enjoys hunting and spending time outdoors.
• Coatings manufacturers should provide clearer information about the best applications for their products.

Titles

• The Role of Fast-Curing Systems in Woodworking
• The Environmental Benefits of Water-Based Coatings The Benefits of Mixing Your Own Paint and Stains
• The Importance of Color Matching and Using a Color System Zach's Plans for the Future
• Hobbies Outside of the Paint World

Sound Bites

• "It just gives you a lot of flexibility and freedom."
• "If you can give the customers a healthy option that is going to be less harmful on their health down the road, I'm going to do it."
• "Colors for me were like, I have no freaking idea what colors and how to do it."
• "I'm kind of working on a thing that I've got that that we'll be able to do that where you can pretty much just maybe run like one pump and switch stuff and it'll be kind of fun."

Chapters

00:00

Introduction and Small Talk

10:01

The Advantages of Water-Based Coatings

28:04

The Role of Fast-Curing Systems in Woodworking

36:15

The Value of Adaptability and Knowledge Sharing in the Painting Industry

56:56

Challenges of Managing Multiple Paint Pumps

01:11:53

The Importance of Clear Information from Coatings Manufacturers

Summary

Joe Julian, owner of Julian and Sons Fine Woodworking, shares his journey in the cabinet woodworking field and the challenges and successes of running a family business. He discusses the process of creating custom gun rooms and trophy rooms for clients all over the world, highlighting the importance of understanding the client's needs and creating a space that reflects their personal style. Joe also talks about the signature Danish oil finish that his company uses and the versatility and timeless appeal of hardwoods. He emphasizes the value of building relationships with designers and contractors to establish trust and long-term partnerships.

Keywords

woodworking, custom furniture, gun rooms, trophy rooms, Danish oil finish, hardwoods, family business, relationships, business growth, decision-making, partnership, sustainability, legacy, mentorship, training, trades industry

Takeaways

Building a successful family business requires hard work, dedication, and the ability to adapt to changing market demands.

Creating custom gun rooms and trophy rooms involves understanding the client's needs and preferences and designing a space that reflects their personal style.

The Danish oil finish is a versatile and timeless option for hardwood furniture, providing a beautiful patina and the ability to spot repair and maintain the finish over time.

Developing relationships with designers and contractors can lead to long-term partnerships and a steady stream of projects.

Using traditional craftsmanship techniques combined with modern processes and finishes allows for the creation of unique and high-quality furniture pieces.

The death of Joe Julian's father was a pivotal moment in the business, leading to a decision to continue and grow the company.

Bringing in a partner with complementary skills and a clear direction helped strengthen the company and prepare for future growth.

Transitioning from an owner-operator mentality to an owner mentality can be challenging but necessary for sustainability and legacy.

Mentorship and training are crucial in the trades industry to pass on knowledge and maintain quality standards.

Titles

Creating Custom Gun Rooms and Trophy Rooms

The Journey of a Family Woodworking Business

The Pivotal Moment: Continuing and Growing the Business

Transitioning to an Owner Mentality: Challenges and Growth

Sound Bites

"We're woodworkers, not businessmen."

"Family businesses are really hard and the dynamics are challenging."

"This is where they find their happy place. This is where they get the solace."

"The death of my father was really the pivotal moment... when I had to make a serious decision of continuing the business, what direction I was going to go in with it."

"We went from three owners to one and we were able to get a clear direction... versus three strong-headed individuals who are very closely related."

"He's the integrator to me being the innovator... every good company's based on two people with distinct skill sets."

Chapters

00:00

Introduction and Background

07:38

Working with Family and Transitioning to the Next Generation

13:12

Creating Spaces for Clients' Personal Retreats

23:50

Building Relationships with Designers and Contractors

31:29

The Importance of Trust and Long-Term Partnerships

37:29

Transitioning to an Owner Mentality: Challenges and Growth

47:52

Mentorship and Training: Ensuring Quality Standards in the Trades Industry

Links:

https://www.instagram.com/julian_and_sons/

https://julianandsons.com/

Rob Martinez, owner of Rob's Kitchen Remodel and Cabinet Painting, shares his journey in the finishing industry and the challenges he faced when starting to paint cabinets. He emphasizes the importance of learning from mistakes and seeking guidance from experienced professionals. Rob also discusses the evolution of wood coatings, particularly water-based products, and the advantages they offer in terms of health and environmental impact. He mentions the current trends in the coatings world, including high-gloss finishes and the comeback of stained cabinets. Rob's goal is to build a brand and leave a legacy in the industry. Rob shares his experience of pushing himself during tough times and finding different fields of work to stay consistent. He started focusing on other things besides painting cabinets, which led him to full kitchen remodels. This shift has brought more stability and consistent work for him and his team. Rob emphasizes the importance of being efficient and constantly learning to stay competitive in the industry. He also enjoys hiking as a way to relax and disconnect from work.

Key Takeaways:

Learning from Mistakes and Seeking Guidance: Rob Martinez emphasizes the importance of learning from mistakes and seeking guidance from experienced professionals in the finishing industry. His growth in painting cabinets and mastering wood coatings highlights the value of hands-on experience and mentorship.

Advantages of Water-Based Wood Coatings: Rob advocates for water-based wood coatings, which offer significant health and environmental benefits compared to solvent-based products. These coatings improve indoor air quality and are safer for the environment.

Current Trends in the Coatings World: Staying updated with industry trends is crucial. Rob highlights the popularity of high-gloss finishes and the resurgence of stained cabinets, which influence customer preferences and drive innovation.

Pushing Through Tough Times and Finding New Opportunities: Rob's journey underscores the importance of resilience. By diversifying his skills and exploring different fields of work, he maintained consistent work and navigated business challenges.

Expanding Services for Stability and Consistent Work: Rob expanded his services from painting cabinets to full kitchen remodels, providing more consistent work and enhancing business resilience.

Efficiency and Constant Learning: In an industry where "time is money," Rob stresses the need for efficiency and continuous learning. Embracing new techniques and staying informed keeps him competitive and ensures high-quality results.

Relaxation and Mental Well-Being through Hiking: Rob finds time to relax and disconnect from work through hiking, helping him maintain a healthy work-life balance and mental clarity. Relaxation is crucial for overall well-being and productivity.

Episode Hihglights:

00:00 - Introduction and Background

06:56 - The Evolution of Wood Coatings

14:01 - Personal Background and Goals

30:01 - Importance of Efficiency and Learning

36:20 - Staying Competitive in the Industry

42:38 - Relaxation and Disconnecting from Work

Connect with Rob:

https://www.instagram.com/robs_cabinet_painting_remodel/

Check out his Google Profile

In this episode, we delve into the world of painting and refinishing with Tyler Thompson, owner of Old To New Fine Finishes. Starting with small furniture projects, Tyler quickly evolved his passion into a full-time business in a small town in Indiana. Alongside Zach Shrum, they discuss their experiences and insights in the finishing industry.

Key Takeaways:

Starting Small: Tyler's journey began with tackling furniture projects, demonstrating that investing in oneself can lead to a successful full-time business.

Quality Coatings and Equipment: Emphasizing the importance of using high-quality coatings and equipment, Tyler shares how this investment has streamlined his five-day refinishing process and enhanced the final result.

Dedicated Shop Space: A dedicated shop space is essential for efficiency and increased productivity. Tyler credits his success to having a well-organized space for his projects.

Handling Difficult Clients: Knowing how to handle difficult clients and setting boundaries is crucial for long-term success in the finishing industry.

Focus on Quality and Professionalism: Maintaining a focus on quality and professionalism can set a business apart from competitors, leading to repeat business and referrals.

Industrial Finishes: Transitioning to industrial finishes has had a positive impact on Tyler's business, allowing for superior finishes and greater client satisfaction.

Challenges with Distributors: Communication and pricing with distributors can be challenging, but navigating these issues is key to maintaining a smooth supply chain.

Continuous Improvement: Striving for continuous improvement and staying updated with industry trends is essential for success in the finishing industry.

Episode Highlights:

00:00 - Tyler's Journey into Painting and Refinishing

Tyler shares his humble beginnings and how he transitioned from small furniture projects to a full-time business.

02:10 - Streamlining the Five-Day Refinishing Process

The importance of investing in quality coatings and equipment to streamline processes and enhance efficiency.

03:37 - The Importance of a Dedicated Shop Space

Tyler discusses how having a dedicated shop space has been crucial to his success, allowing for better organization and productivity.

07:37 - Increasing Productivity and Taking on More Clients

Strategies for increasing productivity and the benefits of being able to take on more clients.

09:53 - Handling Difficult Clients and Setting Boundaries

Insights into dealing with difficult clients and the importance of setting boundaries to maintain a healthy work environment.

11:11 - The Power of Quality and Professionalism in Business

The significance of maintaining high standards of quality and professionalism in setting a business apart from competitors.

31:16 - Building Strong Client Relationships

Tyler and Zach discuss the value of building strong relationships with clients, leading to repeat business and referrals.

34:05 - Transitioning to Industrial Finishes

Tyler shares his experience transitioning to industrial finishes and the positive impact it has had on his business.

37:46 - Challenges with Distributors

A discussion on the challenges of working with distributors, including communication and pricing issues.

43:13 - Continuous Improvement

The importance of continuous improvement and striving for excellence in the finishing industry.

Connect with Tyler:

https://www.oldtonewfinefinishes.com/

https://www.facebook.com/oldtonewfurniture/

https://www.instagram.com/oldtonewfinefinishes/