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Welcome back to Therapist Expanded! Today I’m interviewing Psychotherapist Renelle Bourdage.

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In this episode we discuss:

• The history of how we got here as a field
• Endless working that leads to insurmountable suffering
• ‘Its not you it’s me’ type thinking in these systems, and a movement to the ‘It’s you not me’ phase that predicts readiness for change
• Students following the direction of liability phobic governing bodies and agencies
• Conditioning and wounding that stems from oppression, and the story we tell ourselves
• Having less expectations and more agreements
• Acting responsibly vs being responsible
• The system changing by going after what we want and by innovating from Selfhood
• Different cultures doing things rooted in love and healing, and not fear

Renelle Bourdage, Psychotherapist and researcher in clinical neuropsychology shares with us her story of how she took huge steps to live outside of her conditioning. First by realizing she was stuck in an unsustainable agency model, and then noticing others were not recognizing this problem. 

She believed she was powerless in making systemic change, and ultimately reached profound burn out. From this place she saw she needed to make significant changes and she gave herself permission to take the leap.

When she couldn’t  keep up with all the demands, whether realistic or perceived, Renelle realized she was stuck in the rhythm of the treadmill with no end, never moving forward.

She felt the speed and structure of the way the agency model was set up to get clients off the waitlist, and she felt like she needed to be a miracle worker within a certain amount of sessions. Then getting them 'out the door' while working with their complex mental health diagnoses and managing a large caseload. 

She shares that it led to a high burnout rate with no end, like being on that treadmill while never moving forward.  

She realized it's also no one's fault, no one’s wrong. It's an unsustainable system and agency model that ultimately leads to compassion fatigue, vicarious trauma, and leaving therapists feeling depleted.

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Welcome back to Therapist Expanded! Today we're doing an encore of the amazing interview with Andrea Shuman of Mycrodrops.

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• Andrea tells us about how she started her healing career in Massage Therapy before studying Ayurvedic Medicine, and then became an entrepreneur in the foodspace making Ghee, before starting Mycrodrops
• She shares that women in midlife transitions have always been drawn to her, and how now in midlife herself she sees how dynamic of a time it is now
• Andrea describes how her own experience was very difficult even with her specialization in women’s health and her subspecialty in post-partum, and how difficult this was and that she’d set herself up well for the post-partum period but struggled a lot with weening depression
• We went more in depth into weening depression which isn’t well understood, and the general challenges of nursing women
• She shares how she needed support and needed a reminder that she had all of the tools, and could formulate her own solutions, so once clear, that’s what she did 
• We discussed women’s hormones, in depth testing, and mental health and how that leads to over-prescription of antidepressants
• Andrea shares how her mother was on antidepressants for over 30 years and just came off of them (she also states that over 50 million Americans are on antidepressants!)
• The research that Andrea has done shows startling psychotropic over-prescription rates and the incredible bidirectional gender biases of prescription
• Andrea has heard a common refrain from women that they were commonly put on antidepressants after a sexual assault, with no plan for trauma treatment or an end game to get off of these medications
• I share my view that even after 30 years of antidepressants,...

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On this episode of Therapist Expanded, Erin is joined by guest Juliet Trnka!

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Juliet is a Shamanic spiritual coach with a powerful gift: the ability to see you more deeply than you've ever been seen before. She brings a well-stocked shamanic toolkit to excavate and liberate all that has been obscured or enfolded within you. She aims to help you reveal your potential for greater success, connection, meaning, and impact through direct knowing. Throughout this episode, Erin and Juliet discuss the importance of receiving coaching during different phases of your life. They take an in-depth look into Juliet's work and explore strategies for overcoming limiting beliefs when marketing yourself and your business. Tune in to discover these insights and much more!

Here’s a breakdown of Erin’s episode with Juliet:

02:30 – Juliet gives us an insight into her passions and her career

05:30 – Juliet and Erin speak on the power of ‘more’ and the importance of receiving coaching throughout different phases of your life

12:00 – Juliet speaks about her experience with having to market herself and how she worked through the feelings of inauthenticity with marketing your business that often come up for people

17:02 – Juliet shares her thoughts on manifestation and the impact it can have when done correctly

22:26 – Juliet talks about sales and how it shows up as a deeply sacred and transformative practice for her and how receiving teaching about sales aiding her in not being so scared of rejection through sales

31:40 – Erin speaks about the level of emphasis that is placed on offering training in self-care for therapists and how it needs to be improved so that it’s not seen as a ‘unicorn’ within therapist training

36:51 – Juliet shares what mental health revolution means to her

42:23 – Juliet explains that she is a radical through and through and she loves supporting people who have radical desires that seem impossible but know that there is a way

For more information about Juliet and how she can support you, visit the following links:

Website | Instagram | Tiktok | Soundcloud | Youtube |

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On this episode of Therapist Expanded, Erin is joined by guest Joe Sanok, a TITNF coach. 

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Joe is deeply passionate about spreading the message of the 4-day work week and helping others slow down, allowing them to devote more time to creative and impactful work. Throughout this episode, Erin and Joe engage in a discussion about how the mechanical system established by the Industrialists is no longer conducive to human well-being. They explore topics such as our pre-conditioning and how our childhood dreams and aspirations manifest in our adult lives. They also emphasize the significance of controlling the extent to which our external world influences our internal world. Join us for an enlightening conversation that delves into these themes and much more!

Here’s a breakdown of Erin’s episode with Joe:

02:11 – Joe gives us an insight into his passions and his career

06:05 – Joe and Erin speak about pre-conditioning and how our childhood hopes often comes up in our adult careers

10:18 – Joe shares his experience with holding himself back at different phases throughout his life and what he learned from those experiences

16:32 – Joe gives us an insight into some times throughout his career where he stepped out of his comfort zone to reach his full potential and how he managed to ignore the limiting beliefs of others

23:42 – Joe talks about how one of the most important things we need to be aware of is how much we let our external world inform our internal world

32:40 – Joe provides his best advice and encourages you to work backwards when, like when marketing – why do you want to market? Is marketing the only way you can get what you want from marketing?

For more information about Joe and how he can support you, visit the following links:

Practice of the Practice website | Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn

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On this episode of Therapist Expanded, Erin is joined by guest Linzy Bonham! Linzy is an MSW RSW Clinical Social Worker and therapist who has transitioned into a money coach role. 

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Linzy helps therapists find a sense of calm and control when it comes to their finances. Linzy's main passion is to empower other therapists by showing them that money is something they can learn about, and it doesn't have to be overwhelming when starting from scratch. Throughout this episode, Erin and Linzy delve into various topics, including the importance of coaching support, understanding human design, and challenging one's own conditioning, among many other insightful discussions.

Here’s a breakdown of Erin’s episode with Linzy:

02:18 – Linzy gives us an insight into her background and her career

05:02 – Linzy speaks about the thing that fulfils her the most about her work and how she doesn’t see her career as ‘work’

11:22 – Linzy and Erin speak about finding balance with your work and finding that place where you are thriving

21:16 - Erin and Linzy discuss the human design and how it can bring awareness to your strengths

29:13 – Erin and Linzy talk about challenging your conditioning and the importance of coaching support

35:51 – Linzy provides some insight into her journey and how she had to push against her limiting beliefs and fears and trust that she was going to build the working environment she needed to be fulfilled

42:02 – Linzy shares what mental health revolution means to her

For more information about Linzy and how she can support you, visit the following links:

Website | Podcast | Instagram | Facebook 

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In this episode of Therapist Expanded, Erin is joined by Alefyah Taqui, a humanistic therapist who practices from an attachment-based and person-centered perspective. 

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Alefyah believes in treating the therapist-client relationship as a collaborative partnership where both parties work together to identify root causes and patterns in order to find the best path forward - and it's one that involves is built upon the therapist's authenticity.

Throughout the episode, Alefyah emphasizes the importance of authenticity in the therapy room, providing valuable insights into her approach to mentoring her interns and encouraging them to develop their own unique styles as therapists. She also shares personal anecdotes about her childhood and how her experiences have influenced her life today. Additionally, Alefyah speaks candidly about a life-changing moment when she lost her eye, which transformed her from someone who preferred to blend into the background to someone who is now living authentically and being seen, heard, and real.

Here’s a breakdown of Erin’s episode with Alefyah:

02:44 – Alefyah talks about her background, her work and her passions in the field.

05:30 – Alefyah describes her work as a therapist, saying it’s important to understand that you are the biggest asset and the biggest tool in the room

09:12 – Therapists need to embrace the new things they’re learning, which will help them encourage a client to embrace as well.

16:05 – Erin speaks on the rare instances where therapists overshare, speaking about an experience she had herself, while Alefyah speaks on how to know the line of sharing as a therapist

23:48 – Erin shares a little bit on how she trains interns and wants them to become who they are, rather than who Erin is.

27:05 – Alefyah says she starts with therapists by watching a session without a notepad and just reflecting back their strengths and highpoints

28:22 – We’re self-oriented towards healing and we always seem to want to come to how we were when we were little

32:07 – Alefyah tells us about a time in her life when she held herself back and when she really went for something and was vulnerable, as she shares what her childhood looked like and how losing her eye changed her life

39:26 – To Alefyah, Mental health revolution means taking away the thought that we’re on the two sides of the wounded and the healers, and we’re really in this together

44:04 – Alefyah asks Erin about how moving away from her home shows up for her in her life

49:09 – Alefyah wants you to know your journey within yourself is ongoing and you...

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In this episode of Therapist Expanded, Erin is joined by Betti Delorey, a returning guest who is a counselor with over eight years of direct individual and group counseling experience, specializing in addiction counselling. 

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Betti's counseling style is unique in that she combines psychology and traditional spiritual perspectives, drawing upon her cultural and traditional values as foundational elements in her work.

Throughout the episode, Betti and Erin delve deep into the consequences of our conditioning and explore ways in which we can change the behaviors that result from our conditioning. They also discuss shamanic mentoring, recreating and rebirthing oneself, and the importance of letting go of the illusion of certainty, among other topics.

Here’s a breakdown of Erin’s episode with Betti:

02:37 – Betti shares some information about her medicine name, Don Starwoman

05:18 – Betti speaks about therapist conditioning and how we’re trained to hide our authentic selves

06:17 – Betti talks about her journey in shamanic mentoring

16:06 – Betti gives us an insight into how her past trauma allowed her to recreate/rebirth herself into who she really wanted to be

24:58 – Erin and Betti discuss how we have to be willing to let go of the illusion of certainty

32:15 – Erin and Betti speak about being mothers and how conditioning can hold us back

43:25 – Betti shares her thoughts on obedience within our conditioning

For more information about Betti and how she can support you, visit the following links:

Betti’s Intuitive Wellness Group | Book a session with Betti | Email Betti | Facebook

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In this episode of Therapist Expanded, Erin is joined by guest Julie Herres. Julie is a Certified Profit First Professional, an IRS Enrolled Agent, a speaker, and the host of the Therapy For Your Money podcast. 

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Julie’s goal is to inspire private practice owners to achieve profitability. Over the last several years, she has helped hundreds of them take their profit first and attain financial freedom. Erin and Julie discuss how therapists tend to focus on compliance. Julie shares insights into common mistakes private practice owners make and describes her daily efforts to improve their lives and profitability.

Here’s a breakdown of Erin’s episode with Julie:

01:59 – Julie gives us an insight into her background and her career

05:05 – Julie and Erin discuss how we’re compliance driven

07:34 – Julie speaks about some of the surprising things she’s noticed over the years of mentoring therapists around their money and how oftentimes she has to convince her clients that their practice deserves to make money

13:00 – Julie shares her passion for changing the narrative that being a therapist has to be a vow of poverty

20:36 – Julie talks about some of the common pitfalls she notices with a therapist in their first year of being a practice owner

29:46 – Julie speaks about a time in her career when she really held herself back from going after an opportunity

36:55 – Julie wants everyone to know you can and should take your profit first

37:32 – Profit First For Therapists is available on May 2nd with pre-orders available now from all major bookstores

For more information about Julie and how she can support you visit the following Links:

Julie’s website | Green Oak Accounting | Julie’s Podcast | Instagram 

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