Marcus is going to talk about your personal brand. He wantsto talk about the aesthetics of this. First, what is a personal brand. So, it’s a combination of who you are, what you do, what you are known for a who is your target audience. Marcus is going to focus on how we look.

Marcus thinks women are much better at this than men. Marcus thinks that when people book a photographer, they have certain expectations. He thinks people expect photographers to be cool and a little arty. This expectation makes a difference to our brand.
We have had a couple of stylists on the show including Nick Hems and Suzanne Suthers
Marcus says the first thing is to know your size. Get properly measured so you can work out what is going to fit you. Marcus thinks are then you need a “capsule wardrobe”. This is a few items of clothing that work well together. Marcus recommends getting clothes second hand. He thinks higher quality second hand clothes are better than cheap new clothes. He says you need some items that match your brand. Marcus says if you can’t decide on a colour go for black. Something small with your brand colour can work well with black.
Marcus says there are several points of contacts with people. Usually on Zoom, Networking, on your website and then on the shoot. On Zoom calls it’s important to get the background right. Arrange the background well. Some artefacts in the backgrounds that show you are a photographer are great. Marcus doesn’t like the artificial backgrounds. Marcus does suggest a slide show in the background. He also suggests getting a good webcam or use your SLR as a webcam. Get the camera level and lighting right. Also ensure your label on Zoom clearly says your name and business.

Marcus says then on the website you want at least twophotographs of yourself. Sam and Marcus agree a photo of you on the homepage is important. Marcus says a behind the scenes video is useful. Sam says it shows you interacting with customers which is very powerful. Marcus says a photo onthe about page is also important, and you need to be in your branded calls. Sam says also using images for example of you having a nice chat with someone by the call me button may help put people at ease.

He works as a top beauty photographer, particularly for hair brands in the US. He is also the fastest 100-metre runner of his age. Marcus points out we have a show about getting into hair photography.

Alec also does some cinematography work and went to film school. He also went to Harvard to study digital media.
He says he now uses AI a lot in his work. He uses it to create mock-ups of how shoots might work, in shoot planning. He also uses it for backgrounds. He says this was a key part of his time in film school. But he says he doesn’t like the green screen approach in photography. He says, especially with hair, a greenscreen background doesn’t work well.
Marcus and Alec talk about generative AI and how big businesses and photographers are competing with the latest AI campaigns, which are very realistic. Alec says this is their strength, but it has weaknesses. It is well-trained in beauty andfashion, and more trained in women than men. It has not been trained on behind-the-scenes shots, and it is really bad at this. So, Alec says sharing the behind-the-scenes becomes a vital part of the story. People are interested in that, and it showsthe shot is genuine.

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This week, Marcus is talking to Heike Delmore, while Sam is on a break, so not part of the show. Heike is a branding photographer. She started in marketing both in Germany and Canada. About 13 years ago, she married her photography and marketing skills together and made her brand photography business. She says many customers don’t know what brand photography is. Many of them come for a headshot, but they don’t want this. They want brand photos but don’t always know how to verbalise this.

Heike learned in her marketing while in Germany how marketing in Europe is quite different to the US. What would be considered great in the US is often considered over the top and unrealistic in Europe.
As with many photographers, Heike was photographing from an early age, and enjoyed looking at Vogue and other magazines to see the photography. She found her photoshoot ended up turning into a consultation about people's business, where it wanted to go and what message it wanted to convey.
Hekie has a studio. Initially, this was a converted garage. She now has a home studio with backdrops and lighting. But she also has a kitchen area for lifestyle images. So she does 98% of her shoots in the studio. But some clients want shots at their location. Heike uses both natural and artificial light in the studio. She likes the natural light look, but can use artificial light to help with that.
Heike says clients need shots with appropriate space so that clients can repurpose them, with different messaging.
Heike says she doesn’t show clients images during the shoot. She finds some clients can start to tear themselves apart during the shoot, which destroys the later images and mood of the studio. She does shots for about 90 minutes and encourages clients to bring lots of different outfits. Heike also thinks this means clients buy more images as they have a greater variety of images. She says a range of looks is good. From very formal to more casual. So it gives the impression on social media that people are getting to know them. She also says it's important that the clothes are right for the client and they don’t bring clothes they would never usually wear.
Marcus asks Heike where she gets clients. She says she has been discussing this with other photographers. She says the Google profile (Google Business) is working well. She says posting here can help you get found on the Google search.Marcus' questions of this exist in the UK (Note from Sam, yes, it does, and we have discussed it several times before on the podcast). Heike has said that using this has increased the number of leads she gets from the Google search. She also uses Instagram. She says the people who are on LinkedIn during the day or are still scrolling Instagram at night.
Heike is also an educator. She started partly as other photographers were asking her for help. So she started to help people. As she helped photographers, she found that she had some things that were different from other brand photography educators. She said photographers were wanting things like poses, but she says it needs to start much deeper than this. She says the images need purpose, not poses. Heike gives a specific example of a client. She got them to think about where she wanted to be in 5 years and asked her to walk into the shoot, as that person. This helped people see her in this new way.

Heike is running several courses at the moment. She has a free giveaway specifically for Shoot to the Top Listeners. This download is to help your clients work out where they want to be in a year or five years. It helps clients think this through and then translate this into what photography they need. She also runs the course from headshot to personal branding. Marcus has taken this course.

Marcus started as a bass guitar session musician. He did this freelance for about ten years during the 90s. So, in his early 30s, he had a change of direction. He got hold of a camera and thought this was what he wanted to do next. He realised that as a session musician, he was always playing other people’s ideas, while with photography, he could be much morecreative.
Marcus then went to university to study photography. While studying, he worked as a session musician and photographer. He moved after university to be an assistant in the fashion and advertising world at the end of the 90s.
Marcus then moved to hair and beauty photography in the US. His sister was working in that world, and he went over and joined her. So, he ended up in New York, doing beauty and hair shoots. Then also for advertisers. He did this until the financial crash of 2008, when it all started getting quieter. IN 2010, Marcus was offered a post as a university lecturer. They wanted to start a fashion photography course and asked Marcus to run the course. This was the first time Marcus had ever had a job interview. Marcus was a lecturer for about ten years. He said by the end he was missing doing his photography.
He wanted to stay in Bristol and decided that he would go into branding photography and set up his business about 6 years ago. He also does some teaching and has lots of ideas for this going forward. Marcus still does music. His band (sub-jagger) have just done their last gig. He is also part of a wedding funk band.

Christian is an expert in cinematic storytelling. They don’tjust look beautiful, but sell beautifully. Christian started as an insurance broker and then moved on to setting up his own business. But eventually, he thought something was missing. He didn’t start knowing he wanted to move into filmmaking,he just knew he wanted to do something different. Based on a childhood memory, he went to film and started by setting up a green screen studio. He did this with no training or knowledge about filming.

He got a breakthrough through his network and was introduced to people who organise an elite tennis tournament. He did lots of filming there and created a film to tempt next year's sponsors. That went very well, and things expanded from there. He did all the editing and everything by himself.He said he had the imagination but just needed to learn the technical skills.
After the breakthrough, it became much easier. He had work to show, he had a great connection from previous businesses, and the business took off. In 2019, he was introduced to his first end hi-fi client. He has then moved into that area as a niche. When shooting these products, and in all his work, he makes a story. He spends a long time finding out who the target market is and what they are interested in.

He doesn’t have an agent, people tend to pick up the phone, having seen his work.
Sam asks if getting the initial big client is important. He says it is very helpful. Try things to get that initial work with a big client. Do some low-priced work for a big client to get a foot in the door. But make sure you explain what the cost should be.
Christian is based in Malaysia and travels most months. He has a second base in Germany, which he uses to access the rest of Europe. He is usually in Europe every other month, and from Germany, he can easily access most of Europe.
Sam asks about how his network from his previous business helped him in his film business. He says it has helped a lot. He said it also helped that he understood how to build and run a business.
Christian says he doesn’t have employees, but he does have freelancers that he works with. In terms of equipment, he says when he started, he bought lots of expensive equipment which he hardly ever uses. He says what you need is a camera, two or three lights, and some good sound. He was awarded best branded content director just a couple of weeks ago. Christian also has his project, a 42-minute film called Seconds in Eternity. It has gained 33 awards at film festivals. It isn’t available to the pubic at the moment as it is showing in film festivals.

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Fabrizia started with family photography, but moved into brand photography. She says brand and pet photography are the two rising genres. She started as a brand photographerwas emerging. She used to work as a fashion and beauty editor.
She started photographing young people and managed to get a headshot of an author (family friend) of hers to be published on the book cover. In her 50s, she made a move to be a photographer. At the time, she was living in a tiny village in the Austrian mountains, so she realised it couldn’t be in fashion. So she started brand photography in 2011, but it wasn't called brand photography then. She also did lifestyle shoots with families.
After she had run the business for a while, she moved to teaching photography business skills. She had an issue in Austria, as there was an exam to become a registeredphotographer. She got around this by setting up a UK business and operating that in Austria. She found that she could not pass the test as her German was not good enough. Eventually, the law was removed.
Fabrizia found that on Facebook groups, there were lots of photographers who were asking lots of business questions. So she eventually ran a course about how to run a photography business. She has been doing these ever since.
Fabrizia talks about brand photography being storytelling. Lots of brand photography shoots show women with laptops, coffee and champagne. She thinks it should be much more personalised to the person in the shoot. Marcus asks how you can delve deeper with your clients. She says it’s best to reflect where they are, not where they want to be. And she says this work is AI-proof, and you can charge more for it.
Fabrizia is running a brand lab again soon. She is speaking at the Wales and West Photography Show, as will Marcus. She is going to open the show talking about AI. She is also talking about branding. The show is from the 19th to the 21st of June.

Fabrizia also invites anyone who wants to chat to meet her fora coffee after the talk.
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In this show, Marcus interviews Sam.
Marcus asks Sam to start at the beginning, and Sam splits this in two and starts sharing his photography story. Sam’s Dad was a professional photographer who shared his interest in photography with Sam. He had cameras from a young age and an SLR from a young age. Sam says that after university, he was travelling. One thing he did was photograph white water rafting trips in Nepal. He sold images to the rafting clients of their trip. Sam also talks about his kayaking trips to the UK, the Alps, and Nepal. Sam says that from then forward, his photography became just for personal use. When he setup his Web Design Business in 2017 he did some photography for clients as he got started. And then finally Sam started doing wildlife photography while living in Mozambique where he stilllives. So he got a 600ml wildlife lens to help capture the wildlife particularly the birds.

Sam then talks more about web design. Sam’s had a computer in the house from the age of about ten. Sam’s first website was written in notepad by hand for the university canoe club. From there he made websites for various people over the years. For example he joined a local choir and setup the website for them. He set up blogs, for example when he had a Small Holding hesetup a blog for that.
In 2017 Sam decided it was time to move on from teaching and decided to setup his own Web Design Business.
Marcus then shares how the podcast started.

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