FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 15th of June 2024, at Toets des Tijds, VEEM, Amsterdam.

In each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:42) Fie [°1972 - Amsterdam, NL] tells about talking to the board of a cultural fund, who asked her: “where do you actually make your living from?” And not being able to speak her mind in that moment. And a rhetoric question: “would this question be asked to a man?”

(05:07) Hans [°1971 - Amsterdam, NL] describes how he was kicked out of a choir, at the moment he had prepared drinks and snacks for the group.

(09:51) Izak [°1996 - Amsterdam, NL] on proving your own masculinity: “What it is, I cannot tell you.” And 40 micro-agressions in one day, today. “Today was a good day.”

(15:40) Conny [°1952 - Rotterdam, NL] on being the outlier at school, the consequences for your sense of self and an epiphany of self-respect.

(18:37) Karmit [°1996 - Treuchtlingen, DE] is a female composer. “Voicing your opinion as a woman has consequences, so I don’t dare to share examples here, so you actually feel powerless.” “I would love there to come a point that there is no need anymore for us to share the examples. Because the fact that we need to share it, is horrible.”

(20:27) Luke [°1990 - London, UK] on people pleasing. “I spent a lot of my life making sure everyone is OK about me. That makes it really hard for me to confess to people when I’m not feeling OK.”

Karmit: feeling like you ruin everything when you speak your mind.

(23:24) What do you deserve? To be me, with all the good and the bad. Love. Being sinterklaas. To get it wrong sometimes. A role model, not to feel alone.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 18th of May 2024, 20u, at O. festival in Rotterdam.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:35) Madelief [°2007 - Shanghai, CN] on a colleague, sinking down to his knees to get to eye level. And real guy friends, who prefer to chat with other guys than to sit with Madelief.

(05:02) Salomé [°1977 - Amstelveen, NL] is short and blond. A busdriver spelled out "this bus is going to the u-ni-ver-si-ty" to her. On surprising and countering people. "There is more to her than you see".

(08:05) Lindertje [°1986 - Hoorn, NL] on men, coming to her after her performances, commenting: your body is amazing. "All the other things were less impressive than my body." Not the artwork. On people who don't believe she creates her own performances. Andrea asks -for a friend- how to bring it across, that you are making your own work.

(14:00) Ellen [°1982 - Voorburg, NL] is a medical anthropologist. She writes when she wants to be heard. On a history of being tested and having to prove yourself. On being seen as the vessel of your baby, by a gynecologist, not having a say in how to give birth. "I looked at the literature and wrote a 5-page letter with all studies attached." After which she got granted decision-making power. "I wish I would have been able to just focus on being pregnant."

(20:12) Andy [°1986 - California, USA] "Andy is an ambiguous name: ‘Oh, I thought you were going to be a man.’ I would like to people not be disappointed by seeing me show up." And receiving unwanted advise from a male professor on interviewing subjects for research: "wear make up, be pleasant, accommodating and genuinely interested in the other person."

(24:40) What do you deserve? You may want everything you want. Respect: no one should forget Respect. To know that you matter, regardless of people's gendered expectations.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Find us on instagram.com/resonate.productions | facebook.com/musicaljournalism | resonate-productions.com

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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 18th of May 2024, 15u, at O. festival in Rotterdam.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:45) Ali [°2001 - Istanbul, TR] on the feeling of being tricked, earlier that day. Why do you have to do that?

(07:55) Barbara [°1980 - Breukelen, NL] on where it started: not being taken seriously. Never, by her parents, in anything. "I get your sister, she is like me. But you, I don't get."

(11:36) Stef [°1995 - Almere, NL] on how zero responsibility lies on his shoulders. And how that is not necessarily a good thing. On the military, on not having family, or the possibility to have kids, and friendships in which your friends are more important to you than you to them. "It's weird because noone is doing anything bad to me. But it feels like I don't matter."

And the most desired responsibility: a free school for the arts. "I was supposed to die a few times, went to art school, and that's the best thing I ever did, in this world."

(17:37) Karin Charlotte [° - Sachsen, East-DE] speaks from her lifetime in the former DDR. On the valuing of life, nature and children vs. destructive powers towards those entities. "How can you allow yourself to be pregnant?" of a third child. How does valuing show? "When I can stand up."

(22:09) Chris [°1985 - Lelystad, NL] asks Marleen what he can practically do, feeling powerless as a white heterosexual male.

(24:30) Marleen had a partner who told her not to study literature, because "it was a stupid choice, it won't bring you money." Even graduating cum laude does not mean anything in that field.

"It's better now, but it's not. But something is happening. Look at you, asking me what to do."

(28:57) Tina [°1954 - Indonesia] speaks in the language of her mother, Dutch. Her mother is still alive in her, and gave her life to her family. "Mom, you did so well!" Giving me all freedom, without any pressure to e.g. create grandchildren. "Go do your thing!"

(29:11) Maaike brought her kid to school and was stopped by one teacher to enter the schoolyard to say goodbye to her child. "I was actually angry, but you have to be polite, you can't be the over-concerned hysterical mother. And a dad can just walk in with his child. I felt paternalised, like I was an obnoxious idiot." And how to deliver your message as a woman.

(36:48) What do you deserve? What all people deserve: to be free and be seen without being judged on superficial things - The sadness: that this is the hardest question.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 17th of May 2024, 20u, at O. festival in Rotterdam.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:40) Laura [°1998 - Haarlem, NL] on (not) being taken seriously in her entity as an art historian, writing for platform De KunstMeisjes: the Art Girls.

(04:54) Beverly [°1974 - USA] on feeling excluded, all the time, in her life as a filmmaker, artist and librettist. As a visible minority, you cannot not notice it. Eg. in pitching ideas for gatekeepers: they should fit into a "minority life". Gun crimes and prostitution.

(11:10) Vernon [°1984 - Curaçao] wants his mother to be her full self. To pursue her 19-year old dreams, after she pursued her children's dreams first, in intense self-sacrifice. "Go for it mama. It ain't over till it's over".

(16:42) What do you deserve?

Tieche [°1977 - Rotterdam, NL] : to be more self-confident, and not be in doubt forever.

Maaike [°1999 - Tuitjenhoorn, NL] : was doubting to come to the middle, because everything she would say should be perfect. She deserves : to speak, whether it is important or not.

Chabelle [°1993 - Rotterdam, NL] : to not live in fear or prosecution because of the government turning against you.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Find us on instagram.com/resonate.productions | facebook.com/musicaljournalism | resonate-productions.com

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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 17th of May 2024 at the Professionals Programme of O. festival in Rotterdam.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:47) Lorenzo [°1999 - Chieti, IT] on humiliation, and the need to step back into your mother’s womb. What makes you want to make me feel small? Gently: maybe someone did that to you.

(05:57) Asia Ahmetjanova [°1992 - Riga, Latvia] on the sadness of putting artificial clothing around what you have to say. The leak of energy: feeding the monster instead of being able to focus on what matters to you. And the upside to this: the value of politeness.

(11:06) For [Lise], it’s time for water. To savour the moment, with so many awful things happening around us. A big thank you. And the one thank-you of her child, that stands forever.

(12:59) [Sarah] on the possibility of children thanking their parents, in different stages of life.

Turning to her mother when she had small children: “Thank you and I have no idea how you did it.”

(16:39) [Mary - probably the oldest person in the room, Scotland] thanks the men in the room for listening to all of this. On older women being very, very unkind to her and the ‘special place in hell’ of Madeleine Albright, and trying to work up the kind of kindness that Lorenzo talked about.

(17:49) Krystian [°1983 - Warsaw, PL] on the feeling of one body being the oppressor and the oppressed at the same time. On representing queerness in the opera-houses, and how senior women respond to that shift in masculinity.

(23:25) What do you deserve? More free time for ourselves (since women are really trying to save the world- and just respect each other. “There’s a hierarchy of minorities now and maybe, there’s a political plan behind it. Let’s just not get divided.”

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Find us on instagram.com/resonate.productions | facebook.com/musicaljournalism | resonate-productions.com

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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 5th of May 2024 at Lunalia in nona, Festival van Vlaanderen, Mechelen.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:50) Eva [°1974 - Oudenaarde, BE] on being in a panel about female hormones, and being talked down to by an older male professor. “You did that really well.”

(06:17) Rebecca [°1984 - Zottegem, BE] on being small, looking young, and (not) being taken seriously. With remarks on hair, clothes and figure coming from people who care about you.

(10:41) Marjolijn [°1981 - Jette, BE] on the impossible assignment we get as humans, in allegory of the fairytale of Rumpelstilskin.

(18:50) Annemarie [°1980 - Leuven, BE] on taking up too much space and being ‘too much’ as a girl and woman, and how that message gets passed on by mothers and daughters.

(20:48) Anouk [°1984 - Belgium] on young teenagers against the old Greek in highschool, because “these texts are so sexist!”

(24:20) “What do you deserve?” Marie [°1987 - Utrecht, NL] “I am constantly wondering, am I on the right side?”

(27:02) Andrea [°1989 - Brugge, BE] a lot of dignity for the Flemish people.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Find us on instagram.com/resonate.productions | facebook.com/musicaljournalism | resonate-productions.com

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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 28th of February 2024 at Splendor in Amsterdam.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:44) Marianne [°1968 - NL] on the hidden diversity of hearing difficulties.

(05:14) Yuva [°1984 - Istanbul, TR] on assimilation in her scientific career in a Western country, and the step of assimilating back to yourself.

(08:16) Maryana Golovchenko [°1988 - Ukraine] on the pressure on boys and man. What do you love about yourself, for real?

(13:07) Nicole [°1965 - NL] discusses the moment she felt power over others at a job interview, because of a dress. And how wrong that felt.

(16:27) Nora [°1987 - Hungary & Holland] on the dating market. From ‘medical expert’ to ‘I work in healthcare’ in order to not be intimidating.

(19:52) Anita [°1947 - Amsterdam, NL] on living to be your true self, and being honest with one another.

(23:26) David [°1984 - New York, US] on struggles with family dynamics.

(28:17) Anna [°1987 - RU] recounts how she used to think about her mothers career, compared to her fathers career. She gives thanks: how she is still her child, also now that she is a mother herself.

(36:48) “What do you deserve?” That is a hard question. To be seen for who I am, earlier in life.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Find us on instagram.com/resonate.productions | facebook.com/musicaljournalism | resonate-productions.com

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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 8th of March 2024 at 5pm in The National Theater in The Hague.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(02:00) Miranda Adriana Gerdina van de Sand - van der Heide - Zomers [°1965 - Eindhoven, NL]. How can others take you seriously if you don’t take yourself seriously?

(05:10) Musician George asks who wants to be interviewed. With no luck.

(05:58) Ashley Strugo [°Rio de Janeiro, BR] on the many reasons used to set people apart because you are ‘different’. How can you be confident and trust yourself, if everyone tells you you cannot do it?

(10:21) George tries again.

Karlotta von Schwarzenberg [°2005 - DE] on the surprise of internalized sexism, at a dinner at her boyfriends’ house, where a younger brother said about his older sister that it was not important for her to make her homework.

(12:51) Elsa [°2004 - Sydney, AU] on a special treatment from a teacher in highschool, and how it creates a persistent mindf*ck on the one thing you are most passionate about.

(17:04) Mariana [°1988 - Ukraine] on positive discrimination, combined with mild harassment and insults by a drunk teacher, at a music exam in conservatoire.

(22:52) Yvonne [°1992 - Hoofddorp, NL] on the first thing you have to be as a woman: pretty. The belief, instilled by a.o. her father, that gaining weight would be the worst thing ever, worse than being unemployed or not finishing studies.

(25:32) Phoebe [°2001 - IT] on her mother. How she gave up the career she should have had. How she, Phoebe, and her dad prevented that. And how that pressure and sadness transfers to her in her own life, becoming a diplomat. She ends with the wish for her mom to be able to mourn about it.

(29:16) Alexia [°2000 - UK] asks the profound question: really when it was, when we first accepted that we are less valuable. And how we need creativity to create a whole different world.

(31:34) “What do you deserve?” - Everything.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Find us on instagram.com/resonate.productions | facebook.com/musicaljournalism | resonate-productions.com

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